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#526
#526
n_huffhines said:
They said no cams were being worn. Photo showed one of the cops wearing his earlier that night. Even if the initial statement held up, why wouldn't they be wearing them? It stinks to high heaven. For all we know, the footage did exist.
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And , for all you know, it didn't.
 
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#530
Weezer said:
Didn't say they did, but it's a violation, or should be, to not have your body-cam on. This situation should highlight why, and makes a perfect example to other officers what happens if you don't follow regulations. I have zero problem with them losing their jobs over it. It's not a difficult request that they keep those cams on.
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the bolded is a key distinction.

I don't know if it's a violation or not. Agree it should be but if they were following the rules for body cams then it isn't a violation.

the larger issue is that we keep conflating what the rules ought to be with what they are when assigning crime/discipline.

I think everyone here is pretty on board that the Drug War is overdone and that no knocks are problematic. Likewise, body cams should be on. Those may or may not be the current rules though
 
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#531
#531
captainfalcon777 said:
This is America and people have rights. A no-knock warrant is 100% unconstitutional.
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Disagree. Officer safety is important as well. But no one ever cares about that lol. Bet people would care if they put themselves into the shoes of individuals who have to enter a building that has known individuals inside with weapons. But, you do you.
 
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85SugarVol said:
And the other part of the team? The presumably uniformed officers that were serving the warrant?
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From what was said it was a mixed unit.... part undercover and part uniformed.... all of them were suppose to have them off due to the undercover agents that were part of the team..... I’m not experienced in raids.... just going by what’s said..... once again, I am sure that it should be an easy check on what the policy aside to do in those situations.
 
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#535
vol81 said:
It was a no knock authorized warrant but independent witnesses confirm police did knock on the door and announce themselves as LO before attempting entry upon which they were fired upon, and one officer hit. LO then returned fire. Ms Taylor was hit in the process in a different room from that which her then BF had fired on the officers. Her prior BF was the target of the search warrant.
Scenario was not as portrayed in the media for months. Her tragic death was not a targeted hate crime.
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Never said it was a hate crime. Never implied it. I don't think the officers should be charged with murder. They SHOULD have had their body cams on though. We'd know a lot more about what really happened if they had.
 
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#537
volbeast33 said:
From what was said it was a mixed unit.... part undercover and part uniformed.... all of them were suppose to have them off due to the undercover agents that were part of the team..... I’m not experienced in raids.... just going by what’s said..... once again, I am sure that it should be an easy check on what the policy aside to do in those situations.
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It's kinda crazy you have to defend this.
 
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#538
captainfalcon777 said:
This is America and people have rights. A no-knock warrant is 100% unconstitutional.
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Also, only the initial entry is “no-knock” you still have to ID yourself after the entry. Boom door busted “Police” “Police” etc. so while people believe it is just completely unannounced that isn’t true.
 
#539
#539
volinbham said:
so it's not established.

we were told it was a no knock raid; testimony established it wasn't

you can believe all you like but it's just more narrative building that is speculative - it doesn't help a thing
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Dude...

They were told to knock. They turned off their bodycams and didn't knock. Then they found a witness to cover their asses. Why were their bodycams off? They're so FOS.
 
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#540
cHiZzLeVOL said:
Disagree. Officer safety is important as well. But no one ever cares about that lol. Bet people would care if they put themselves into the shoes of individuals who have to enter a building that has known individuals inside with weapons. But, you do you.
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Civilian safety is important as well. They busted into HER home. Probably wearing vests as well. There are two sides of this. The more responsible side is, and should be, the police. Part of the job is being held to a higher standard. Breonna Taylor did no wrong and was killed by police bullets. That deserves intense scrutiny and criticizing. Even if fired upon, the police should have been thinking about their own shooting and the possibility of where those bullets were going. You don't fire carelessly, ever. We can't make excuses for irresponsible policing just because they're the police.
 
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#542
cHiZzLeVOL said:
Disagree. Officer safety is important as well. But no one ever cares about that lol. Bet people would care if they put themselves into the shoes of individuals who have to enter a building that has known individuals inside with weapons. But, you do you.
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Doesn’t change the fact that it’s unconstitutional. But hey it’s America, and we have the right to disagree with one another :)
 
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#543
C-south said:
Maybe he doesn’t sell drugs or shack up with anyone that does.
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Selling drugs... all this over over some drugs. Don't the police have better things to be doing? Hel, if they want drugs off the streets so bad, why didn't they track down the person that was shipping the drugs to that house?

These wars on drugs, terrorism, poverty and coronavirus are going to ruin this republic.
 
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#546
n_huffhines said:
Dude...

They were told to knock. They turned off their bodycams and didn't knock. Then they found a witness to cover their asses. Why were their bodycams off? They're so FOS.
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you are making this up - where do you see that they "turned off their body cams"?

as I understand the witness (who you think is lying apparently) said they announced and knocked.

the facts don't square with your narrative so you stick with your narrative.
 
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#549
#549
Weezer said:
Let's say they announced after they knocked the door down. How much gets lost in the fear sensation of having your door busted down unexpectedly? Adrenaline kick drowns out a lot. It could have been avoided by knocking, IMO. I don't like or support no-knock warrants. Truthfully, I think they violate the 4A. Bit again, jmo. I don't think officers should be charged with murder. End of the day, they were following orders, legal orders at that, so I think that factors in to why it's not murder. But there was lots of irresponsibility. I'm all for some of the officers, especially those not using their body-cams, being dismissed. They fubared their responsibilities. But it's still not murder. The ultimate indictment should be on no-knock warrants and the dangers they present. I just don't think the benefit outweighs the risk. They should not be legal.
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But since this wasn't a no knock situation and it’s the example used to ban no knock should those bans be lifted.
We are being lied to!
 
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