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Weezer said:
Not gonna get political, but I think the biggest message that should be taken from Breonna Taylor's death is no-knock warrants should not be legal.
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Their AG cleared up that it wasn’t a no-knock warrant and a third party witness corroborated they identified themselves.
 
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volinbham said:
tell us why you think this witness isn't credible - paid by the cops?
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I don't know if the witness is credible. There are plenty of people who would lie for the cops for different reasons. It happens.

I'm just saying we can't explain the body cams and it's so inexplicable that we know something is up.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm just building the likely scenario. You have to assume the one witness is telling the truth and you also have to forget they didn't have body cams on for some inexplicable reason.
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why wouldn't we assume the witness is telling the truth - they are under oath in front of a GJ
 
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volinbham said:
the bolded is a key distinction.

I don't know if it's a violation or not. Agree it should be but if they were following the rules for body cams then it isn't a violation.

the larger issue is that we keep conflating what the rules ought to be with what they are when assigning crime/discipline.

I think everyone here is pretty on board that the Drug War is overdone and that no knocks are problematic. Likewise, body cams should be on. Those may or may not be the current rules though
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I've already explained that I don't think they should be charged with murder. That doesn't make their actions irresponsible. I think they made a huge mistake in not thinking about where their stray shots were going in returning fire. Imagine the outrage if a young child had been struck? Policing is a hard job, and I have respect for those who do it proper, but they are held to high standards, and they should be held to high standards. It's not a job for everyone.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Can you post some links to this info?
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I'm building the likely scenario based off the facts that they were told to knock and that we have no body cam evidence from cops who were wearing body cams that night. If you want links to those facts, I can dig them up, but they're already in this thread.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't know if the witness is credible. There are plenty of people who would lie for the cops for different reasons. It happens.

I'm just saying we can't explain the body cams and it's so inexplicable that we know something is up.
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VB33 says body cams off if undercover narc cops - not sure if correct but it's plausible.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm just building the likely scenario. You have to assume the one witness is telling the truth and you also have to forget they didn't have body cams on for some inexplicable reason.
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The only key info that needs to be known is was it procedure for the cameras to be turned off to protect undercover officers??

If it was procedure your take is worthless. If it wasn’t procedure your take is worth listening to
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm building the likely scenario based off the facts that they were told to knock and that we have no body cam evidence from cops who were wearing body cams that night. If you want links to those facts, I can dig them up, but they're already in this thread.
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I’ll find them. Thanks.
 
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BisonVol said:
When you label all police officers as "white supremacists", when you repeatedly say that black people are being hunted by police, when you repeatedly say America is racist, you paint a target on all police officers' backs. You're inciting violence against LEO's by portraying all of them as evil racists. More officers will be shot and killed as a result of this.
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Where do you pull this "all" from?
 
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volinbham said:
why wouldn't we assume the witness is telling the truth - they are under oath in front of a GJ
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Do you think eyewitness testimony is reliable? Even if they think they're telling the truth, they get the truth wrong often*. There is tons of work on this question showing how faulty eye witness testimony is, so I'd be an idiot to assume this one person is telling the truth, especially when I know no details about the testimony. There is no reason to believe one witness over the irreconcilable fact that they didn't use body cams.

*I witnessed a fight one time and I gave no statements, but I heard other people's statements and I was completely wrong about who I thought had started it. I'm telling you, it's not just about having somebody give a sworn testimony.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Selling drugs... all this over over some drugs. Don't the police have better things to be doing? Hel, if they want drugs off the streets so bad, why didn't they track down the person that was shipping the drugs to that house?

These wars on drugs, terrorism, poverty and coronavirus are going to ruin this republic.
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Hopefully they get them too.
 
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I don't believe the no body cam footage because of some of them being undercover. That is a convenient excuse. I guess they have never seen other footage where the narcotic agent or undercover cop are masked and body cams are still on.
 
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From the statement today:

"Evidence shows that officers both knocked and announced their presence at the apartment. The officers' statements about their announcement are corroborated by an independent witness who was near in a proximity to Apartment 4. In other words, the warrant was not served as a no-knock warrant".

knocked and announced
 
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Weezer said:
Civilian safety is important as well. They busted into HER home. Probably wearing vests as well. There are two sides of this. The more responsible side is, and should be, the police. Part of the job is being held to a higher standard. Breonna Taylor did no wrong and was killed by police bullets. That deserves intense scrutiny and criticizing. Even if fired upon, the police should have been thinking about their own shooting and the possibility of where those bullets were going. You don't fire carelessly, ever. We can't make excuses for irresponsible policing just because they're the police.
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I stated this in my post. So don’t know what argument you are making here. Police are accountable for every round. Hence why the individual was being charged for negligence. But, with the Police actually not conducting a no-knock warrant and announcing their presence etc. I understand why they aren’t being charged for her death.
 
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Wireless1 said:
But since this wasn't a no knock situation and it’s the example used to ban no knock should those bans be lifted.
We are being lied to!
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I'm skeptical about whether or not they really knocked. I'm not saying their lying, but we would certainly know a lot more if they had just had their body-cams on. All we have is the word of both sides, so I question the version of both sides. The one thing we know with absolute certainty is someone who should be alive today is not, and why is absolutely key.
 
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Weezer said:
Civilian safety is important as well. They busted into HER home. Probably wearing vests as well. There are two sides of this. The more responsible side is, and should be, the police. Part of the job is being held to a higher standard. Breonna Taylor did no wrong and was killed by police bullets. That deserves intense scrutiny and criticizing. Even if fired upon, the police should have been thinking about their own shooting and the possibility of where those bullets were going. You don't fire carelessly, ever. We can't make excuses for irresponsible policing just because they're the police.
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Yeahhh lol ok. This is not a video game.... it’s split second reactions and when you are being fired upon. I would like to see your expertise in a situation where a known drug dealer is firing on you And his girlfriend is behind him what you would do. We know the answer. Shame on you for not using your Brain and following in line with the woke mob. Do better
 
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Weezer said:
I'm skeptical about whether or not they really knocked. I'm not saying their lying, but we would certainly know a lot more if they had just had their body-cams on. All we have is the word of both sides, so I question the version of both sides. The one thing we know with absolute certainty is someone who should be alive today is not, and why is absolutely key.
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There is an independent witness claiming knock and announce.
 
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captainfalcon777 said:
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s unconstitutional. But hey it’s America, and we have the right to disagree with one another :)
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It isn’t unconstitutional. Otherwise it wouldn’t be allowed or maybe you believe the Supreme Court didn’t get this one right? Dunno how “breaching a door without announcing yourself first is “unconstitutional” especially if you are a criminal who is in possession of weapons and the “no-knock” is being used as an officer safety thing.

Seems to me you don’t quite understand that a “no-knock” isn’t completely silent. The door is breached and then police immediately announce themselves. A knock warrant also known as “knock and announce” is knock knock “police with a warrant open the door” and if it’s a high threat to officers it’s “knock knock police with a warrant open the door immediate breach” so..... yeah
 
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