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It was a no knock authorized warrant but independent witnesses confirm police did knock on the door and announce themselves as LO before attempting entry upon which they were fired upon, and one officer hit. LO then returned fire. Ms Taylor was hit in the process in a different room from that which her then BF had fired on the officers. Her prior BF was the target of the search warrant.
Scenario was not as portrayed in the media for months. Her tragic death was not a targeted hate crime.

I can’t substantiate, but I heard on radio that they interviewed 12 neighbors/people who heard it, and 11 said they didn’t hear any call out or anything prior to going in. I understand the use of no-knock warrants, but there is an argument that they can be dangerous for officers too.

I don’t believe the main gist is that it was a “targeted hate crime.” In this case, it sounds like the officers lacked thorough preparation and investigation into their case. Just as with any profession, there are good ones and bad ones who run fast and loose.

As a criminal defense attorney, I hear these stories all of the time (aside from a death being involved). The officers exercise supreme authority, and they don’t necessarily have to announce who they are at any time. Usually though, they are wearing something to identify them, but that can be too late to see. As to body cameras, most investigative units/organized crime units do not wear them. They work with CI’s and deal with confidential information, so they are excluded from cameras. In my jurisdiction, you will only see body cams on patrol officers.

Also, SWAT/tactical units are hardly ever used for execution of warrants. Those units are specialized and are only used in crisis/special situations.
 
Dude, "officer safety" is the biggest catch-all available to the cops out here. They use that as an excuse to get away with murder.

Have you ever been an officer? Have you dealt with people one on one? Have you seen some of the officer training videos where in less then 1 second an individual pulls out a gun and shoots an officer who was just being casual with them during a stop?

Have you had to enter a house with individuals who are known to be armed or seen the videos of individuals shot while they are entering houses? Is one of your family members an officer who has to put their life on the line everyday? Officer safety is very important, so is officer conduct and officers are responsible for every single thing they do to include every round that comes out of their gun.
 
what's your theory then on the witness? making it up? mistaken?
First, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Second, it's not beyond imagining that someone comes forward to support the police just to support the police. Look at the people on here vigorously defending a situation in which a young, innocent woman was killed. This goes beyond who did what wrong. The entire situation is wrong because the end result was an innocent life lost. That's not okay.
 
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First, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Second, it's not beyond imagining that someone comes forward to support the police just to support the police. Look at the people on here vigorously defending a situation in which a young, innocent woman was killed. This goes beyond who did what wrong. The entire situation is wrong because the end result was an innocent life lost. That's not okay.

it's not defending that she lost her life; not from me or most here.

it's questioning the theories being presented that the cops and the witness are lying and that the GJ reached the wrong conclusion as a result.

it's tragic event - that doesn't mean it was nefarious action by the cops and witness
 
First, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Second, it's not beyond imagining that someone comes forward to support the police just to support the police. Look at the people on here vigorously defending a situation in which a young, innocent woman was killed. This goes beyond who did what wrong. The entire situation is wrong because the end result was an innocent life lost. That's not okay.
I guess one should be careful with the kind of people they hang around with. Trouble seems to follow some folks.
 
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First, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Second, it's not beyond imagining that someone comes forward to support the police just to support the police. Look at the people on here vigorously defending a situation in which a young, innocent woman was killed. This goes beyond who did what wrong. The entire situation is wrong because the end result was an innocent life lost. That's not okay.

Yes an innocent life was lost. You are right this isn’t okay. But the boyfriend is just as much at fault for it as the officers. He shot and wounded officers who are covered in police markings.

The detective who shot all over the place is being held accountable for negligence of his shooting. So what more do you want? The guy doesn’t shoot at the officers none of this happens in the first place. So.....
 
Have you ever been an officer? Have you dealt with people one on one? Have you seen some of the officer training videos where in less then 1 second an individual pulls out a gun and shoots an officer who was just being casual with them during a stop?

Have you had to enter a house with individuals who are known to be armed or seen the videos of individuals shot while they are entering houses? Is one of your family members an officer who has to put their life on the line everyday? Officer safety is very important, so is officer conduct and officers are responsible for every single thing they do to include every round that comes out of their gun.
Why are we putting officers and the general public in danger by having these trigger happy cops busting down doors at 2:00 in the morning over some drugs that were tracked by mail?
 
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People resulting to violence are wrong. It doesn't help the situation. What happened to Breonna Taylor deserves intense scrutiny, but "protesting" through violence accomplishes nothing and is hypocritical. This should be about protecting life, not taking more.
 
Yes an innocent life was lost. You are right this isn’t okay. But the boyfriend is just as much at fault for it as the officers. He shot and wounded officers who are covered in police markings.

The detective who shot all over the place is being held accountable for negligence of his shooting. So what more do you want? The guy doesn’t shoot at the officers none of this happens in the first place. So.....
Nope. Her boyfriend was not under investigation. It was her ex.
 
Civilian safety is important as well. They busted into HER home. Probably wearing vests as well. There are two sides of this. The more responsible side is, and should be, the police. Part of the job is being held to a higher standard. Breonna Taylor did no wrong and was killed by police bullets. That deserves intense scrutiny and criticizing. Even if fired upon, the police should have been thinking about their own shooting and the possibility of where those bullets were going. You don't fire carelessly, ever. We can't make excuses for irresponsible policing just because they're the police.

Don't bash in a door and somebody probably won't shoot through the open doorway. The whole issue is not knock vs no knock or identified vs unidentified; it's whether anybody including cops has the right to break and enter unless it's perhaps to save a life. This goes back on the judge issuing the warrant and those seeking the warrant. The FBI and FISA judges as well as some cops breaking into wrong addresses show there's too much testosterone and adrenaline and too little adult supervision in the whole process.
 
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First, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Second, it's not beyond imagining that someone comes forward to support the police just to support the police. Look at the people on here vigorously defending a situation in which a young, innocent woman was killed. This goes beyond who did what wrong. The entire situation is wrong because the end result was an innocent life lost. That's not okay.
The bf collaborated most of the eye witness testimony
 
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Why are we putting officers and the general public in danger by having these trigger happy cops busting down doors at 2:00 in the morning over some drugs that were tracked by mail?

Usually because it isn’t just drugs involved. Most of these individuals are involved in more then just drugs period. Drugs is just the easiest nexus to prosecute.
 
it's not defending that she lost her life; not from me or most here.

it's questioning the theories being presented that the cops and the witness are lying and that the GJ reached the wrong conclusion as a result.

it's tragic event - that doesn't mean it was nefarious action by the cops and witness
I didn't say it was nefarious. That doesn't mean there still shouldn't be intense scrutiny. Everything should be questioned because of the result.
 
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