Bye Bye Louisville

[volbeast33]

If that's the attitude of the system, the system is horse caca.

I was meaning that if you make bad choices then bad things will find you..... I preach to my kids all the times about each choice they make..... she chose to date a guy knowing he was a drug dealer.... been in jail..... did drug related activity for him and allowed him to use her address to receive mail.

 

[volbeast33]

Definitely mistakes made but it appears they looked at all the evidence. i doubt this attorney general is covering for the police. This is really unfortunate. Still ahould not be mob violence.

Yes it is very unfortunate

 

[Weezer]

She was listed on the warrant. They have recording of jailhouse phone calls of coordinating drug transactions. She was under investigation.

She chose a life in the drug trade, with that comes risk of being shot whether by the police or another criminal.

If you are involved in crime and the police knock on your door and announce that they are police and you open fire, I can assure you they will return fire.

I'm done arguing because all you guys are doing is pissing me off by blaming her for her own death. It's obvious you have low expectations of the police in this situation. There is no justification for the outcome. The fact you cannot see that is willful blindness. Yes, other people screwed up too, but police carry a higher expectation to not screw up. How you do not see and acknowledge that is beyond me.


I'm out.

 

[volbeast33]

Bull ****. They are the police. Stop making excuses for their screw up. Just admit they screwed up and realize the problem needs to be fixed. That doesn't happen by indicting cops following orders, but the raid went sideways, they lost control, and a woman died. THAT IS NOT HER FAULT. Stop blaming her for her death. She was doing nothing wrong when she was killed. She was in her own home.

I’m not blaming anyone

 

[InVOLuntary]

Not holding her completely responsible. But when you decid to engage in felonious behavior, regardless of your feelings on laws associated with said felonious behavior, you're entering dangerous territory that has lots of risk.

I think thats where weezer is wrong here. Im not saying she is 100% responsible for her own death but she has some for the lifestyle that she led. If you jump out of an airplane and your parachute didnt open and you die, you own some of the responsibility because you chose to jump in the first place.

 

[volbeast33]

And that justifies her being dead? No. Police lost control of the situation and she died. That is a problem.

That is what the war on drugs is.... I agree it needs to be scaled back.... I’m not sure to what point but I don’t like raids like this....The two things this horrible event needs to change is police policy and personal responsibility for your choices and actions.....

 

[Weezer]

So the police shouldn't be able to return fire if fired upon?

Does that make it okay when they hit and kill unintended targets? What if the bullet went through a wall and hit a 3 year old kid? It's not about whether it's okay to return fire, it's about being acutely aware of where those shots are going. If they're not hitting the intended target, what might they be hitting?

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm done arguing because all you guys are doing is pissing me off by blaming her for her own death. It's obvious you have low expectations of the police in this situation. There is no justification for the outcome. The fact you cannot see that is willful blindness. Yes, other people screwed up too, but police carry a higher expectation to not screw up. How you do not see and acknowledge that is beyond me.


I'm out.

I've never said she was 100% responsible. There is blame to go around everywhere. In my opinion most of the blame resides with the boy friend.

 

[BeecherVol]

Or less.

Their guy is the most divisive in history, that makes this election the most important in history....

Its team politics. Nothing more. Neither side is worried about what the other thinks, just find enough votes to win.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Does that make it okay when they hit and kill unintended targets? What if the bullet went through a wall and hit a 3 year old kid? It's not about whether it's okay to return fire, it's about being acutely aware of where those shots are going. If they're not hitting the intended target, what might they be hitting?

When you are being shot at and you make split second decisions you are simply trying to survive. It was most likely dark and she was behind him and they were firing at what was firing at them.

 

[0nelilreb]

And that justifies her being dead? No. Police lost control of the situation and she died. That is a problem.

I think we all agree on the no knock warrants but you can’t eliminate the self responsibility, the boyfriends responsibility and continued bad life choices that led up to her death. Everyone wants police reform while seemingly ignoring how to stop LEOs from being at your door to start with . I have as much fear of cops kicking in my door at night to serve a search warrant as I do lightening striking me on a sunny day .. there’s a reason for that .

 

[Wireless1]

I'm skeptical about whether or not they really knocked. I'm not saying their lying, but we would certainly know a lot more if they had just had their body-cams on. All we have is the word of both sides, so I question the version of both sides. The one thing we know with absolute certainty is someone who should be alive today is not, and why is absolutely key.

I agree the why is key. Initially ALL the blame was on the police, as the facts come out we find that there were mitigating circumstances that place some of that on the boyfriend at a minimum and perhaps some on Breonna herself.

 

[Weezer]

I think thats where weezer is wrong here. Im not saying she is 100% responsible for her own death but she has some for the lifestyle that she led. If you jump out of an airplane and your parachute didnt open and you die, you own some of the responsibility because you chose to jump in the first place.

So if you're driving home and get hit by a drunk driver, I guess you bear some of the responsibility for driving in the first place. I mean, if you hadn't been driving, you couldn't have been hit.

Not buying that argument. Police busted into her home. They carry a burden of responsibility. They are rightfully held to a higher standard.

 

[Rickyvol77]

She wasn't an innocent woman she was involved in the drug trade. She was caught on audio in phone conversations about transporting drugs with her boy friend when he was previously incarcerated. She was also not a paramedic. She was fired from that job after it was discovered she had a dead body in her car. That was back in 2017. I hate that she lost her life but she wasn't the angel she is being portrayed to be.

i know..i just found out about her being fired as an EMT due to her involvement in the drug trade and a dead body.. Funny how that didn't lead the media headlines at the beginning

 

[volbeast33]

I'm done arguing because all you guys are doing is pissing me off by blaming her for her own death. It's obvious you have low expectations of the police in this situation. There is no justification for the outcome. The fact you cannot see that is willful blindness. Yes, other people screwed up too, but police carry a higher expectation to not screw up. How you do not see and acknowledge that is beyond me.


I'm out.

With the laws the way they are written.... what did you want the cops to do differently

 

[InVOLuntary]

@Weezer you know I love you, man.

 

[volbeast33]

So if you're driving home and get hit by a drunk driver, I guess you bear some of the responsibility for driving in the first place. I mean, if you hadn't been driving, you couldn't have been hit.

Not buying that argument. Police busted into her home. They carry a burden of responsibility. They are rightfully held to a higher standard.

If you get in a car with a drunk driver then yea you are partly responsible for your own death.

 

[volbeast33]

@Weezer you know I love you, man.

I love you too @Weezer

 

[Weezer]

With the laws the way they are written.... what did you want the cops to do differently

Fall back and regroup. They had that option. Where are the people in the apartment going? Nowhere. The whole damn thing should have been planned better.

 

[InVOLuntary]

So if you're driving home and get hit by a drunk driver, I guess you bear some of the responsibility for driving in the first place. I mean, if you hadn't been driving, you couldn't have been hit.

Not buying that argument. Police busted into her home. They carry a burden of responsibility. They are rightfully held to a higher standard.

That's a bad analogy, weez. Driving a car everyday is normal behavior. While risky it's part of everyday life. It is a necessary part of everyday life. Dealing drugs is not a necessary part of everyday life.

 

[Weezer]

If you get in a car with a drunk driver then yea you are partly responsible for your own death.

Not what I said.

 

[Weezer]

That's a bad analogy, weez. Driving a car everyday is normal behavior. While risky it's part of everyday life. It is a necessary part of everyday life. Dealing drugs is not a necessary part of everyday life.

Did they find drugs in her apartment?

 

[0nelilreb]

I'm done arguing because all you guys are doing is pissing me off by blaming her for her own death. It's obvious you have low expectations of the police in this situation. There is no justification for the outcome. The fact you cannot see that is willful blindness. Yes, other people screwed up too, but police carry a higher expectation to not screw up. How you do not see and acknowledge that is beyond me.


I'm out.

Nobody and I mean not one single person one this earth has a higher responsibility to keep me alive and safe than I do , I am responsible for my actions . Not the cops , not the judges , not the president , not congress , not the protesters .. nobody .

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

The system is the system. When my ancestors didn't like the system, they got in boats and went somewhere else. Love it or leave it.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

SIAP. Gotta start clapping people using bats and molotovs.