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#876
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Orangeslice13 said:
They knocked and said police as they were kicking down the door. Essentially a a forced entry. There’s no way to know if the people inside heard the announcement of police. 8 neighbors heard nothing but one did.
Bottom line is it never should have happened
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The neighbor heard them knocking.... the bf heard them knocking.... this is what the war on drugs looks like
 
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hog88 said:
IMO most no-knocks are useless. Put surveillance on the target and detain the subjects outside then go in. Now if it's a hostage rescue or similar situation that is different than searching for drugs.
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This. I equate it to the Waco fiasco. They had multiple chances to apprehend Coresh outside the compound and would have had the opportunity in the future. The police make it much harder than it needs to be.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
She wasn't shot in her bed as originally portrayed by the media if that's what you are implying. She was under investigation and was part of the warrant. It's sad that she died. I'm not justifying "no knock" warrants but by the grand jury testimony they did knock and announce their presence. The boy friend is who shoulders most of the blame here for opening fire first, although she does carry some for being caught up in illegal activity. The police officers are not going to simply not defend themselves.

You're portraying her like she was some innocent bystander in the next apartment and that's simply not the case.
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Wait a second.

If you were woken up in the middle of the night with someone banging on your door shouting police what would you do? Me, I would grab a weapon and prepare for a fight then try to determine if they really are police. That's why I asked earlier "how much time between knocking/announcing and breaking through the door"?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
This. I equate it to the Waco fiasco. They had multiple chances to apprehend Coresh outside the compound and would have had the opportunity in the future. The police make it much harder than it needs to be.
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100% agree and it's up to the elected officials at the state and local level to fix the procedures and laws allowing that. It's not the police people should be mad at it's the people they have elected.
 
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hog88 said:
Wait a second.

If you were woken up in the middle of the night with someone banging on your door shouting police what would you do? Me, I would grab a weapon and prepare for a fight then try to determine if they really are police. That's why I asked earlier "how much time between knocking/announcing and breaking through the door"?
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That's something we don't know. I would think it would take some time to awaken from a sleep and then to grab a gun and run to the door and start firing. I would think it would be chaotic for sure. DOn't hold me to this but I think I recall the boyfriend acknowledge that he heard them announce themselves but don't hold me to that.

As for me I would not run to the door to confront. I would send my wife to the safest place possible with a phone to call 911, Then take a defensive position. Even if it wasn't the police I don't think it would be smart to take on a shooter without cover. I would definitely try and be in a defensive position.
 
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hog88 said:
100% agree and it's up to the elected officials at the state and local level to fix the procedures and laws allowing that. It's not the police people should be mad at it's the people they have elected.
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This is exactly correct
 
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0nelilreb said:
They were all shot some were killed , your argument is invalid by default .
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?????? I'm not talking about lunatics. I'm talking about people who find the president despicable.
That's not even apples and oranges. That's apples and lug wrenches.
 
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Septic said:
Skeptical Septic is skeptical.

Let's go to the video...
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Even Walker admits he heard banging on the door. My guess is police banged and announced themselves, but it wasn't loud enough or not clearly understood by the people in the apartment.

In his interview, Mattingly insists officers knocked and announced themselves when they arrived after midnight on March 13. In Walker’s interview with investigators, however, he says there was banging on the door but the couple never heard anyone say “police.” Walker says that after he and Taylor asked who it was and got no response he reached for his licensed firearm.
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Taped interviews shed light on police probe of Breonna Taylor shooting
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That's something we don't know. I would think it would take some time to awaken from a sleep and then to grab a gun and run to the door and start firing. I would think it would be chaotic for sure. DOn't hold me to this but I think I recall the boyfriend acknowledge that he heard them announce themselves but don't hold me to that.

As for me I would not run to the door to confront. I would send my wife to the safest place possible with a phone to call 911, Then take a defensive position. Even if it wasn't the police I don't think it would be smart to take on a shooter without cover. I would definitely try and be in a defensive position.
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Exactly. And that is why the amount of time between knocking/announcing and breaking through the door should have been included in the AGs statement. It's IMO the difference between manslaughter and tragic mistake.
 
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luthervol said:
Yes the country will be less divided, absolutely.
It has always been the case that no matter who is elected president, there will be a segment of the population who finds that person despicable. That has always and will always be the case.
It all boils down to how many feel that way.
More feel that way about Trump (rightfully so) than any past or future president.
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What about when more felt that they should own slaves? Or that blacks should be refused civil liberties? The civil rights movement shouldn't have been the legitimate right to sway public opinion to a new normal?
 
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#894
Ashevolle said:
Source?
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Someone posted a copy of the LPD investigation into the case. Taylor was holding money for these guys and apparently very well aware of the dealing going on. The jailhouse conversations were monitored according to this report.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
She wasn't shot in her bed as originally portrayed by the media if that's what you are implying. She was under investigation and was part of the warrant. It's sad that she died. I'm not justifying "no knock" warrants but by the grand jury testimony they did knock and announce their presence. The boy friend is who shoulders most of the blame here for opening fire first, although she does carry some for being caught up in illegal activity. The police officers are not going to simply not defend themselves.

You're portraying her like she was some innocent bystander in the next apartment and that's simply not the case.
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Specifically, the warrant alleges that in January 2020, Glover left Taylor's apartment with an unknown package, presumed to be drugs, and subsequently went to a known drug apartment with this package soon afterward. This warrant states that this event was verified "through a US Postal Inspector." In May 2020, the U.S. postal inspector in Louisville publicly announced that the collaboration with law enforcement had never actually occurred. The postal office stated they were actually asked to monitor packages going to Taylor's apartment from a different agency, but after doing so, they concluded, "There's [sic] no packages of interest going there." The public revelation put the investigation and especially the warrant into question and resulted in an internal investigation.[16] No drugs were found in Taylor's apartment after the warrant was executed.[17]
 
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#897
#897
InVOLuntary said:
No but that's irrelevant. Here's a fun fact. When the police interviewed the boyfriend, he asked what happened to the drugs which he acknowledged were there at some point. His answer was that he suspected Breonna of doing something with them. Hmm.
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A drug dealer that is in jail for drug charges blames someone else about more drugs and money that is theirs.

Seems legit.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Specifically, the warrant alleges that in January 2020, Glover left Taylor's apartment with an unknown package, presumed to be drugs, and subsequently went to a known drug apartment with this package soon afterward. This warrant states that this event was verified "through a US Postal Inspector." In May 2020, the U.S. postal inspector in Louisville publicly announced that the collaboration with law enforcement had never actually occurred. The postal office stated they were actually asked to monitor packages going to Taylor's apartment from a different agency, but after doing so, they concluded, "There's [sic] no packages of interest going there." The public revelation put the investigation and especially the warrant into question and resulted in an internal investigation.[16] No drugs were found in Taylor's apartment after the warrant was executed.[17]
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I'm not arguing the validity of the warrant. That's another subject entirely. They had other evidence of her doing drug transactions including jailhouse phone conversations with her boyfriend detailing drug activity and her involvement.
 
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1972 Grad said:
There is a death in the United States every 11.14 seconds, and 7,755 every single day. That means that several folks will have died before I finish writing this. Somebody tell me why I should be more concerned about Breonna Taylor than the other 7,754 people who will die today. I honestly don't get it.
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She was at worst a non violent subject of a bungled search warrant where the cops didnt follow protocol with body cams.

The cops may end up 100% in the clear. But this stinks to high heaven. And I guarantee if the cops talk about this internally it's going in the "bad outcome" column and not the "well done police work" column.
 
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