California ban on same-sex marriage struck down

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volsforever27 said:
Here comes the Christianity bashing in 3,2,1...

OK, I have a question, for the people on here who are for gay marriage (and this is a legit question, I'm not being a smart ass), what should marriage be defined as? I mean in just a pure simple context... the union of two people who love one another, or how would you describe it?
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that about covers it.

I've gone round and round over this issue in my head and at first i was against it from a purely religious standpoint, then I tell myself that I'm not really religious (I'm agnostic). Then I tell myself that marriage is a vehicle to perpetuate the species, since you must have a male and female to reproduce, in other words, biology. However, there is some compelling evidence that homosexuality, in some cases, is biological. Last there is the "ewww" factor (which I don't think I need to describe), but it's really none of my business what people do in their own bedrooms. I don't want anybody looking into mine so I've adopted a "live and let live" libertarian approach to the whole issue.

My rights aren't being infringed upon by gay marriage.
 
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MG1968 said:
that about covers it.

I've gone round and round over this issue in my head and at first i was against it from a purely religious standpoint, then I tell myself that I'm not really religious (I'm agnostic). Then I tell myself that marriage is a vehicle to perpetuate the species, since you must have a male and female to reproduce, in other words, biology. However, there is some compelling evidence that homosexuality, in some cases, is biological. Last there is the "ewww" factor (which I don't think I need to describe), but it's really none of my business what people do in their own bedrooms. I don't want anybody looking into mine so I've adopted a "live and let live" libertarian approach to the whole issue.

My rights aren't being infringed upon by gay marriage.
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An earlier post posed an interesting question. If we define marriage as union between two people that love each other would two cousins or siblings be allowed to marry? What argument could you have against that?
 
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KB5252 said:
An earlier post posed an interesting question. If we define marriage as union between two people that love each other would two cousins or siblings be allowed to marry? What argument could you have against that?
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there are already laws on the books regarding family members. Just as there are laws regarding minors, animals, and inanimate objects.
 
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KB5252 said:
An earlier post posed an interesting question. If we define marriage as union between two people that love each other would two cousins or siblings be allowed to marry? What argument could you have against that?
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That's my point... I'm all for the government staying out of the bedroom, but where do you draw the line? Should incest be ok? Is it ok to have more than one wife?

My main beef with gay marriage is I'm against gay couples adopting... which doesn't mean I'm homophobic. I believe that a kid needs a mom and a dad (there are things I can do for my daughter that my wife can't and nice versa). I know what someone is going to say... what about kids being abused, single parent families etc? I agree, all those things are a sad reflection on the world today, but that doesn't mean because they exist that gay couples should automatically have the same rights. I have no problem with two adults doing whatever they want, however when you bring a child into the equation, that's a whole new ballgame.

As far as the marriage itself, marriage IS a religious institution founded by God. I know that's not a very popular opinion on here, but there it is. However for those who are againt gay amrriage but are for civil unions, does that mean gay people aren't worthy enough for marriage? You have to admit, it brings up some pretty interseting discussions.
 
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emainvol said:
History class was interesting this week I take it?

You don't think there are any rough gay men?
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There wont be any men at all if more men decide to lay down with men or women with women ! ROUGH or SISSYS and or SISSYS AND SISSYS it wont matter.

I think it's disgusting but as with everything else it really doesn't matter what you or I think and it never will . Gays fight for this and heterosexuals avoid it .

Bottom line if you cant change something then your wasting your time and energy trying to.

JMO , but if you believe in the Bible you wont beleive in gays no matter if you do think it's not the governments responsibility .

Once again I dont profess to be well versed in these things , these are just my thoughts.
 
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MG1968 said:
homosexual marriage doesn't affect me one way or the other. It's not my personal cup of tea, but in the same way it's nobody's business how I live my life, it's none of my business how someone else lives theirs.
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a couple of pages back, but this is still clearly the best quote on this topic.

It doesn't matter to me if John wants to marry Jane or if he wants to marry Jeff.

Likewise it doesn't matter if Jane wants to marry John or she wants to marry Suzie.

All that matters is that we have the choice here in the US. Gay marriage only affects heterosexuals if they let it get to them. I would challenge my Christian beliefs with anyone on here and I do think homosexuality is a sin, but it's not my right nor anyone else's to force the Christian belief on someone.
 
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In the end, the voters will most likely end up deciding the future of Prop 22. If it gets over 50% of the vote, doesn't matter how these judges ruled.
 
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emainvol said:
Just because I am not religious does not mean I cannot borrow from other religious ceremonies, mix and match if you will. I have friends who have done that exact thing. I would be completely fine with nothing but a marriage license and a trip to the justice of the peace, but I don't think I could sell a potential wife on that. Who knows.
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Doesn't a marriage certificate give them spouses benifits as well
 
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#65
Interesting vote today. The judges just spit in the faces of millions of voters. That schmuck Newsom is a happy man today.
 
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#66
This is one issue I have never gotten why people have a beef over.

Why shouldn't homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals?

Doesn't have to be marriage, as I view that as an institution of the church, and any ruling one way or another is seemingly a mix of church and state. So if a church decides it's okay to marry same-sex couples, that's their decision. However, I believe it should be federal law to recognize civil unions that carry the same rights as married couples. Anything short of that is discrimination, period.
 
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IMO it illegitimizes heterosexual marriage. The intent of marriage is for the family institution, perpetuation of family, and basically continuting heritage. When john and john or lucy and lucy get married what is accomplished? Nothing.. The homos only want this because they know it bothers about 90 percent of the population who are disgusted when they look at them and turn their childrens heads when they publicly display their affection for each other. The mere presence of homos publicly displaying their affection turns my stomach, I wasn't taught this it is just a natural feeling for me as it may be just the opposite for you. It is something that I completely disagree with. Homosexuality began in the closet and in the closet it must stay.

Maybe California can be America's version of Amsterdam.
 
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iceman9 said:
In the end, the voters will most likely end up deciding the future of Prop 22. If it gets over 50% of the vote, doesn't matter how these judges ruled.
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so you think any law that is voted on by the people is just?

tim said:
IMO it illegitimizes heterosexual marriage. The intent of marriage is for the family institution, perpetuation of family, and basically continuting heritage.
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how do married couples who choose not to raise a family fit into your views?
 
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No PJ, I don't, but I also don't care one way or the other. Just saying that this isn't going to be done one way or the other for a very long time. I could see this being like abortion rights argument, imo.
 
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tim said:
IMO it illegitimizes heterosexual marriage. The intent of marriage is for the family institution, perpetuation of family, and basically continuting heritage. When john and john or lucy and lucy get married what is accomplished? Nothing.. The homos only want this because they know it bothers about 90 percent of the population who are disgusted when they look at them and turn their childrens heads when they publicly display their affection for each other. The mere presence of homos publicly displaying their affection turns my stomach, I wasn't taught this it is just a natural feeling for me as it may be just the opposite for you. It is something that I completely disagree with. Homosexuality began in the closet and in the closet it must stay.

Maybe California can be America's version of Amsterdam.
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One thing that bothers me is that kids today think that it's cool or something (ecspecially the girls ) and the more society excepts it the more kids will see no wrong in it . There will be kids trying this stuff because of pier pressure and curiosity that may not have gotten involved had more of society voiced their opinion of this being wrong. :no:
 
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TIGER DEN said:
One thing that bothers me is that kids today think that it's cool or something (ecspecially the girls ) and the more society excepts it the more kids will see no wrong in it . There will be kids trying this stuff because of pier pressure and curiosity that may not have gotten involved had more of society voiced their opinion of this being wrong. :no:
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you cannot seriously believe that heteros are going to start trying some gay time because it's more acceptable.

I don't care how popular it might become, people wired like I am are never dabbling in the homosexual thing.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
Absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe we will raise our kids to think this is ok.
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my parents could have said it was Ok and beaten me daily to reinforce it, but being cornholee is not something that was ever going to happen to me, unless totally against my will.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you cannot seriously believe that heteros are going to start trying some gay time because it's more acceptable.

I don't care how popular it might become, people wired like I am are never dabbling in the homosexual thing.
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I dont imagine that you are a child which is easily influenced . All you have to do is watch the spring break stuff thats shown on TV and you'll see otherwise normal kids who are influenced by drugs, alcohol and peir pressure doing things that is most influenced by our society accepting this behavior . seriously
 
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