California ban on same-sex marriage struck down

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#126
VolzRChamps said:
I believe that the Bible doesn't directly refference marriage between the same gender. I believe that the sexual act that homosexuals have is a sin. I believe that the passage referencing being yoked to similar people is the closest thing that someone could use to say the Bible is against "Gay Marriage".

Outside of that, I believe that the Religious Right doesn't like homosexuality, and therefore a majority of them use the Bible to attempt to "explain homosexuality away" on every level that they can.

Instead of simply loving people regardless of their sin which would be the "Christian" way, they turn their back on homosexuals and attack them every chance they get.

Frankly it's one of the things that turns me away from "organized religion".
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Well, I'm just applying some common sense here, if the Bible states that you can't have gay sex, I would imagine marriage falls under that category, uness you don't have sex while you're married.
 
#127
#127
VolzRChamps said:
I believe that the Bible doesn't directly refference marriage between the same gender. I believe that the sexual act that homosexuals have is a sin. I believe that the passage referencing being yoked to similar people is the closest thing that someone could use to say the Bible is against "Gay Marriage".

Outside of that, I believe that the Religious Right doesn't like homosexuality, and therefore a majority of them use the Bible to attempt to "explain homosexuality away" on every level that they can.

Instead of simply loving people regardless of their sin which would be the "Christian" way, they turn their back on homosexuals and attack them every chance they get.

Frankly it's one of the things that turns me away from "organized religion".
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You know that the Bible tells us that we can make moral judgements for ourselves based on what the Bible teaches. :good!:
 
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#128
volfanbill said:
In just about all instances mentioning marriage, the Bible talks of a man and a woman's relationship, not a man and man relationship or a woman and woman.
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I'm aware of that, but does it say anything about a man and a man or woman and woman being "married" as wrong? Does it even mention it one way or the other?
 
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volsforever27 said:
Yes, but I bet you dollars to doghnuts that our laws are based on Judeo-Christian concepts.
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loosely yes, but as has already been hinted earlier in the thread, the writers made point that is wasn't soley based on Judeo Christian concepts.
 
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#132
volsforever27 said:
Well, I'm just applying some common sense here, if the Bible states that you can't have gay sex, I would imagine marriage falls under that category, uness you don't have sex while you're married.
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It also says adultry is lusting after another person's spouse, and I'm willing to bet almost every married person commits THAT sin, so why is a homosexual act within a marriage any worse?

It's my belief there is only ONE unforgivable sin.

The people that want to restrict homosexuals act like a homosexual sin is somehow worse than a hetrosexual one.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
That maybe true, but most of our own laws are based off of the Ten Commandments.
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and so our most other countries. Again, those are truths that are relevant to most organized religions worshipping a non secular God.

Of course, many religions share the same God with most earliest writings eerily similar if not almost exact to the Tanakh and Septuagint writings Judeo/Christians believe in.
 
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VolzRChamps said:
It also says adultry is lusting after another person's spouse, and I'm willing to bet almost every married person commits THAT sin, so why is a homosexual act within a marriage any worse?

It's my belief there is only ONE unforgivable sin.

The people that want to restrict homosexuals act like a homosexual sin is somehow worse than a hetrosexual one.
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Sin is sin and we are supposed to try and not sin at all. So your just comparing apples to apples here.
 
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#136
VolzRChamps said:
It also says adultry is lusting after another person's spouse, and I'm willing to bet almost every married person commits THAT sin, so why is a homosexual act within a marriage any worse?

It's my belief there is only ONE unforgivable sin.

The people that want to restrict homosexuals act like a homosexual sin is somehow worse than a hetrosexual one.
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No, it's just marruage is am institution founded by God... and that's why people are opposed IMO. I think churches have the right to not marry anyone they choose, now when you invove the government, it gets a little stickier.
 
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#137
I'm out guys, didnt really want to get invovled, but saw Eric's hypocritical statement about those that agree with the ruling, and couldn't pass up the chance to point out that if anyone is going to dust off thier Bible, we ALL probably should.

Goodnight.
 
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#138
VolzRChamps said:
I'm aware of that, but does it say anything about a man and a man or woman and woman being "married" as wrong? Does it even mention it one way or the other?
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No, but each time marriage is mentioned it's between a man and woman. I'm sure if it was ok God would have mentioned a verse or two for marriage regarding two lesbians or two Sodomites.
 
#139
#139
VolzRChamps said:
I'm out guys, didnt really want to get invovled, but saw Eric's hypocritical statement about those that agree with the ruling, and couldn't pass up the chance to point out that if anyone is going to dust off thier Bible, we ALL probably should.

Goodnight.
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Actually you said me, not all. :good!:

Goodnight.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Sin is sin and we are supposed to try and not sin at all. So your just comparing apples to apples here.
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but a very common Christian misconception is that all sins are equal. The Bible never truly addresses that.

If we were given the Ten Commandments and the 7 deadlies, it seems that all sins are not equal.
 
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volsforever27 said:
No, it's just marruage is am institution founded by God... and that's why people are opposed IMO. I think churches have the right to not marry anyone they choose, now when you invove the government, it gets a little stickier.
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Oh don't worry, they won't go to traditional churches. They will go to their own churches that spring up in the future if everything is goes the way they want.
 
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#143
volfanbill said:
but a very common Christian misconception is that all sins are equal. The Bible never truly addresses that.

If we were given the Ten Commandments and the 7 deadlies, it seems that all sins are not equal.
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I'm glad the Jesus cleared that up when he taught that a sin is a sin, and later Paul clarified it more if I am not mistaken.
 
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#144
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I'm glad the Jesus cleared that up when he taught that a sin is a sin, and later Paul clarified it more if I am not mistaken.
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i'm not arguing that a sin is a sin, that is obvious from the Pauline epistles, but the Bible never once says they are equal.
 
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#145
in fact, in either the end of 1 or 2 John it mentions not all sin leads to death, but there is sin that leads to death.
 
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#146
volfanbill said:
i'm not arguing that a sin is a sin, that is obvious from the Pauline epistles, but the Bible never once says they are equal.
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I think in the Old Testament they weren't equal, but in the New Testament they became equal based off of what Jesus did. He always said go and sin no more, which leads me to believe that Jesus' considered them equal because if you do one who might as well do the others.
 
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#147
volfanbill said:
in fact, in either the end of 1 or 2 John it mentions not all sin leads to death, but there is sin that leads to death.
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If I am not mistaken there is only one sin that leads to death and that is becoming saved and then proclaiming something else later. I think that's right.
 
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#148
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I think in the Old Testament they weren't equal, but in the New Testament they became equal based off of what Jesus did. He always said go and sin no more, which leads me to believe that Jesus' considered them equal because if you do one who might as well do the others.
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John 19:11 (Jesus speaking to Pilate):

You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore, the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.
 
#149
#149
anyways.. i'm out on this debate. Weather permitting i'm hitting the links tomorrow and i need some rest.

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, because everyone can have different interpretations of the Bible, but from my reading I believe that sin is not equal, but all sin is wrong and condemnable. With this I also believe based on your life as a Christian you can be rewarded more or less handsomely depending on your actions.

There are several who debate both those ideas. But based on all my years in Sunday school, church services, praying, my own reading and receiving a Bible minor in undergrad school, those are the ideas I have interpreted.

I have also interpreted that homosexuality is wrong, Paul even states that homosexuals will go to Hell unless they accept Christ. Many take that passage to say once they accept Christ they must clean up their acts, but it's not actually said anywhere. That being said though, it's still our choice, not our governments.
 
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#150
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Oh don't worry, they won't go to traditional churches. They will go to their own churches that spring up in the future if everything is goes the way they want.
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Separate but equal right? Sounds like 50-100yrs ago when there were those with a bible in the right hand and the banging the pulpit with their left while preaching about the horrible dangers of race mixing. Our parents/grandparents grew up during that time and, if you're like me, you look at it and wonder what the heck were they thinking. Your children are going to look back and wonder the same thing.
 
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