California ban on same-sex marriage struck down

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BigPapaVol said:
no doubt about it. Many moms to their children (which they keep having).
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I'd say they are suffering from the disease of ignorance. I don't think the same can be said for the population of America. Hetersexual or homosexual, it is understood I would think in this country how and why you should practice safe sex.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I think you're giving the issue way too much credit for being mainstream. I suspect that the vast, vast majority of heterosexuals only give it thought on random occasions of this nature. Many apparently harbor strong opinions on the topic, but not to the point of making their lives less happy.

I tend to side with you on the topic, but don't really care enough to let it make an impact on my day.
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Heterosexuals like myself only give it thought when progress is made or when people staunchly opposed to it say something in opposition. Then I take the opportunity to engage them and try to change their perspective on the issue.

Given the increased exposure of gays and gay issues in pop culture, in the media, in life in general, and given how much gay bashing I overhear just going about my business, I would guess the vast majority of those opposed to homosexual marriage unnecessarily let it "get them down/disgust/bother" them fairly regularly.
 
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allvol123 said:
No tell me. The heterosexual population is the main transferer of the disease there?
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Africa is more heavily affected by HIV and AIDS than any other region of the world. An estimated 22.5 million people were living with HIV at the end of 2007 and approximately 1.7 million additional people were infected with HIV during that year. In just the past year, the AIDS epidemic in Africa has claimed the lives of an estimated 1.6 million people in this region. More than eleven million children have been orphaned by AIDS.
 
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TennNC said:
Heterosexuals like myself only give it thought when progress is made or when people staunchly opposed to it say something in opposition. Then I take the opportunity to engage them and try to change their perspective on the issue.

Given the increased exposure of gays and gay issues in pop culture, in the media, in life in general, and given how much gay bashing I overhear just going about my business, I would guess the vast majority of those opposed to homosexual marriage unnecessarily let it "get them down/disgust/bother" them fairly regularly.
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not a prayer
 
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VolDad said:
Africa is more heavily affected by HIV and AIDS than any other region of the world. An estimated 22.5 million people were living with HIV at the end of 2007 and approximately 1.7 million additional people were infected with HIV during that year. In just the past year, the AIDS epidemic in Africa has claimed the lives of an estimated 1.6 million people in this region. More than eleven million children have been orphaned by AIDS.
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So besides the disease being passed down via birth, what is the main reason it is so rampant? Promiscuous heterosexual sex?
 
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VolzRChamps said:
Actually I dont need you or my pastor to tell me how they interpret it. I am capable of reading the Bible, praying that God give me the meanings He wants me to take from it, and trust and have faith in Him that he does it.

That being said, I'm comfortable with what I have taken from the passages on homosexuality.
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it's obvious you didn't study what you feel comfortable with
 
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Not practicing safe sex. the countries dont have the proper sanitary standards or equipment to combat it. Passed down from parent to child. Not sure on this but couldnt blood sucking bugs contract the virus and spread it among humans.
 
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allvol123 said:
So why do they have a higher rate of infection? I don't buy it is because they are made to feel like lesser people and this somehow reduces their desire to practice safe sex. More like, the phyiscal actions they perform are more prone to transfer disease and or mentally they do not desire to engage in safe sexual practices EVEN though it is known their lifestyle produces a higher rate of infection. Either or both of these scenarios points to backing up my idea.
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You want a quick explanation? I'll tell you what a homosexual family member told me. Read this in the most clinical way - just to avoid misunderstanding.

Males are more sexually charged than women - we're wired to "spread our seed" - we want to have sex as much as possible. Well, if you're a gay man, it's likely that the people you're attracted to are also highly sexually charged. Therefore, it's really easy to have sex, and have it a lot. And in this relatively small universe where lots of people are having lots of sex with lots of other people, it's much easier for disease to spread.

Therefore, gay men have to be extra, extra careful, not because of the way they have sex, but because the people they're having sex with are more likely to already have the disease. Us acting like they are "diseased" doesn't get them to be more careful, IMO.
 
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allvol123 said:
So besides the disease being passed down via birth, what is the main reason it is so rampant? Promiscuous heterosexual sex?
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Correct. Unlike the U.S. where sex is saved for marriage and we are all virgins when we marry; they actually have sex outside of marriage over there (sarcasm).
Children are being infected by the millions primarily via mother-child transmission through pregnancy or breastfeeding. In addition, men believe that having sex with a virgin cures aids; children are being raped and infected.
Sorry for taking the thread off topic. I just wanted to correct an earlier misstatement that Aids is primarily a homosexual disease.
For those interested, info can be found: Aids In Africa
 
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TennNC said:
Therefore, gay men have to be extra, extra careful, not because of the way they have sex, but because the people they're having sex with are more likely to already have the disease. Us acting like they are "diseased" doesn't get them to be more careful, IMO.
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I don't want to act like anything. It either is or isn't a disease. I'd prefer science investigate and find out. Not stick our heads in the sand and demand that it isn't one because if it were it would hurt feelings. If it is one, by going along meerily as if it isn't, is a mistake. And evidently, real diseases don't get "them" to act more careful either.
 
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VolDad said:
Correct. Unlike the U.S. where sex is saved for marriage and we are all virgins when we marry; they actually have sex outside of marriage over there (sarcasm).
Children are being infected by the millions primarily via mother-child transmission through pregnancy or breastfeeding. In addition, men believe that having sex with a virgin cures aids; children are being raped and infected.
Sorry for taking the thread off topic. I just wanted to correct an earlier misstatement that Aids is primarily a homosexual disease.
For those interested, info can be found: Aids In Africa
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What percentage of the African population is strictly homosexual? Is the rate of infection of that group lower or higher than the rate of infection among heterosexuals? I can see where it would be higher among heteros given the cultural beliefs you have given.
 
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Why does any one care about same sex marriages?

I mean honestly?

If we are free country then what is the deal?

:dunno:
 
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utvolpj said:
we're not yet but working on it. One step at a time
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Really?

We claim to be the most free country that has ever been on the face of the earth and yet we worry about trivial matters such as this.

In the end, it has to come down to freedom.

I am a christian and I do not agree with homosexuality but the beauty of the matter is that I live in a free country and I can think that way.

I don't want the government to be a watchdog and I certainly do not want the government turning into a theocracy!
 
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