California prop 8:

[rjd970]

He is condemned to Hell for willfully turning his back on God. Yes, homosexuality is a mental disorder and perversion. Can you debate my position with reason and logic, citing evidence to conclusively disprove my stance? If the answer is no, then what part of my position is irrational?
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We are still waiting on the reason and logic of your position. This is the crux of these religious discussions...make any proposition one wants and then pretend it is rational simply because it can't be "disproved".

 

[rjd970]

I am more than willing to be judged to the same standard in which I am judging others. For Scripture references on the merits of judging others, feel free to search through all of my posts. If those two Scripture passages are all you have, then, good day.

You can judge me all you want, I can assure you I don't lie awake at night worrying what you think about my salvation anymore than you lie awake at night worrying about what Muslims or any other religion thinks about yours.

We are all heretics to somebody's God, I just take it one more God than you do. So you can have a nice day.

 

[rjd970]

I think gay people, climate change and evolution are some how related...

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link between evolution and gay people, given the homosexual tendecies evident in other wild animals (monkeys, dolphins, etc).

 

[therealUT]

We are still waiting on the reason and logic of your position. This is the crux of these religious discussions...make any proposition one wants and then pretend it is rational simply because it can't be "disproved".

My stance has been proven correct. The fact that Kinsey found homosexual behavior to be normal among his study participants (violent and sexual offenders) proves that homosexual thoughts and acts are vastly more abundant among social deviants. Thanks for playing.
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[rjd970]

My stance has been proven correct. The fact that Kinsey found homosexual behavior to be normal among his study participants (violent and sexual offenders) proves that homosexual thoughts and acts are vastly more abundant among social deviants. Thanks for playing.
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This is a really good one, I mean, even for you.

So until your fair and compelling Catholic Church "scientific" study on homosexuality "could" bear any fruit, you now rely on Kinsey, a guy you said yourself in post #171 of this thread is the most "perverse and deranged 'academic' in the modern era"?

So which is it, Kinsey is a deranged academic or his study now has credibility?

I think I will keep playing.

 

[IPorange]

My stance has been proven correct. The fact that Kinsey found homosexual behavior to be normal among his study participants (violent and sexual offenders) proves that homosexual thoughts and acts are vastly more abundant among social deviants. Thanks for playing.
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Correlation equals causation?

 

[therealUT]

This is a really good one, I mean, even for you.

So until your fair and compelling Catholic Church "scientific" study on homosexuality "could" bear any fruit, you now rely on Kinsey, a guy you said yourself in post #171 of this thread is the most "perverse and deranged 'academic' in the modern era"?

So which is it, Kinsey is a deranged academic or his study now has credibility?

I think I will keep playing.

He is absolutely deranged, that does not mean his study has no value. His study has value as long as one is able to analyze his participants. Seeing as his participants were not a random sampling of the nation, then the results of said study have no application to the normal American. However, seeing as his participants were deviants, miscreants, convicts, and sexual offenders, then his study certainly applies to those groups.

Great attempt at trying to trip me, once again, you have failed.

If you want to look at history, since you are most definitely failing to cite any credible scientific studies that have been completed, go for it. The only somewhat intriguing and compelling argument that homosexuality has been normal among a healthy society would be that of the Macedonians under Alexander.

Alexander's most elite troops, the Companion Cavalry, were, by proclamation, homosexuals. However, seeing as psychological studies have repeatedly shown that elite soldiers are highly likely to be sociopaths, this historical example would probably not help your cause.

 

[rjd970]

He is absolutely deranged, that does not mean his study has no value. His study has value as long as one is able to analyze his participants. Seeing as his participants were not a random sampling of the nation, then the results of said study have no application to the normal American. However, seeing as his participants were deviants, miscreants, convicts, and sexual offenders, then his study certainly applies to those groups.

First you mock him as an academic, call him deranged, and then rely on his study because you have absolutely nowhere else to go with this. Really brilliant. You are all over the place with this.

And where does it say all of his participants are deviants, micreants, sexual offenders, and convicts? Did he actively seek out these people for the study? Pray tell. According to what you have said in this thread about being fine with being intolerant I would expect you to label the participants as such because of the results. Here is another one of your gems....

Is intolerance a bad thing? Why must we push for universal tolerance? If he is religiously opposed to homosexuality then so be it. Personally, I feel that homosexuality is perverse and those who practice such a lifestyle are psychologically deranged.

Well, you're obviously non-biased and objective enough to analyze the study. Please tell the rest of us the proper way to interpret the results.

 

[therealUT]

First you mock him as an academic, call him deranged, and then rely on his study because you have absolutely nowhere else to go with this. Really brilliant. You are all over the place with this.

And where does it say all of his participants are deviants, micreants, sexual offenders, and convicts? Did he actively seek out these people for the study? Pray tell. According to what you have said in this thread about being fine with being intolerant I would expect you to label the participants as such because of the results. Here is another one of your gems....



Well, you're obviously non-biased and objective enough to analyze the study. Please tell the rest of us the proper way to interpret the results.

I continue to mock him as an academic, since he intended to appropriate the results of his studies on the nation, as a whole. I mock you, also.

Yes, he did actively seek out deviants. He used prison convicts for the majority of his studies. Read a book.

 

[therealUT]

Well, you're obviously non-biased and objective enough to analyze the study. Please tell the rest of us the proper way to interpret the results.

Well, I guess in your "progressive" and "modern" worldview, only those without preconceived notions about anything are worthy of interpretation. I am glad you have bought into that pseudointellectual mantra.

 

[rjd970]

I continue to mock him as an academic, since he intended to appropriate the results of his studies on the nation, as a whole. I mock you, also.

Yes, he did actively seek out deviants. He used prison convicts for the majority of his studies. Read a book.

Mock him as an academic, but rely on his study because you have a fantasy that it supports your position here. This just gets better. Keep us informed on the scientific Catholic study you touted earlier.

The fact that you want to mock me makes me feel better about countering your silly argument here.

Which book? What source? You're making all these assertions about the study. Have you read the Kinsey report?

Well, I guess in your "progressive" and "modern" worldview, only those without preconceived notions about anything are worthy of interpretation. I am glad you have bought into that pseudointellectual mantra.

Let me let you in on a little secret...it sure helps....and you don't even have a "progressive" or "modern" worldview to accomplish it! Who would have thought?

 

[gsvol]

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link between evolution and gay people, given the homosexual tendecies evident in other wild animals (monkeys, dolphins, etc).

I suppose you tie 'global warming' in through the 'mental derangement' tendencies angle, right??

 

[rjd970]

I suppose you tie 'global warming' in through the 'mental derangement' tendencies angle, right??

Huh?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link between evolution and gay people, given the homosexual tendecies evident in other wild animals (monkeys, dolphins, etc).

I am surprised you ran with that...

:good!:

 

[gsvol]

Huh?

OE, mentioned that homosexuality, evolution and global warming might somehow be related.

You ran with the evolution and homosexuality aspects while not mentioning global warming.

Care to enlighten us further as to your line of reasoning??

 

[rjd970]

OE, mentioned that homosexuality, evolution and global warming might somehow be related.

You ran with the evolution and homosexuality aspects while not mentioning global warming.

Care to enlighten us further as to your line of reasoning??

All I said is there is homosexual behavior exhibited in wild animals and maybe there may be an evolutionary tie with human homosexuality.

OE made a sarcastic (I thought anyway) remark about global warming, homosexuality, and evolution being related. All I said was there actually could be a legitimate connection with homosexuality and evolution. Why would I bring up global warming?

What exactly is it you are trying to prove here?

 

[KB5252]

All I said is there is homosexual behavior exhibited in wild animals and maybe there may be an evolutionary tie with human homosexuality.

OE made a sarcastic (I thought anyway) remark about global warming, homosexuality, and evolution being related. All I said was there actually could be a legitimate connection with homosexuality and evolution. Why would I bring up global warming?

What exactly is it you are trying to prove here?

Can't speak for him but we do know that certain animals sexes are directly influenced by temperature. Maybe there is some correlation?

 

[MontereyVol]

Can't speak for him but we do know that certain animals sexes are directly influenced by temperature. Maybe there is some correlation?

That would explain Miami.

 

[IPorange]

Can't speak for him but we do know that certain animals sexes are directly influenced by temperature. Maybe there is some correlation?

They haven't been able to locate a "gay gene," so that puts doubt on genetics. People from all sorts of different backgrounds and families have been homosexual, casting doubt on nurture.

So maybe you are on to something in looking at environment.

 

[KB5252]

They haven't been able to locate a "gay gene," so that puts doubt on genetics. People from all sorts of different backgrounds and families have been homosexual, casting doubt on nurture.

So maybe you are on to something in looking at environment.

Could be I guess. I also believe that earths population is a driving factor in many of the problems we face as a society. Not saying that being gay is a "problem" but the sheer number of people on earth may have some bearing, who knows.

 

[gsvol]

All I said is there is homosexual behavior exhibited in wild animals and maybe there may be an evolutionary tie with human homosexuality.

OE made a sarcastic (I thought anyway) remark about global warming, homosexuality, and evolution being related. All I said was there actually could be a legitimate connection with homosexuality and evolution. Why would I bring up global warming?

What exactly is it you are trying to prove here?

I'm just trying to figure out what you are trying to say.

You say; "there is homosexual behavior exhibited in wild animals and maybe there may be an evolutionary tie with human homosexuality."

What do you mean by that??

Then you said; "All I said was there actually could be a legitimate connection with homosexuality and evolution. Why would I bring up global warming?"

OE brought up global warming.

With your vivid use of imagination, I don't see why you couldn't include global warming in your theory.

 

[rjd970]

I'm just trying to figure out what you are trying to say.

You say; "there is homosexual behavior exhibited in wild animals and maybe there may be an evolutionary tie with human homosexuality."

What do you mean by that??

Are you familiar with evolutionary theory? It states that new species arise through gradual adaptations in existing species driven by natural selection. The fact that monkeys exhibit homosexual behavior, as well as humans, could be of interest. I'm not saying it is for sure, but it could be. That is all I meant. I think you are trying entirely too hard to pick a fight here.

As for the rest of your post, I have no clue what you are trying to say.

 

[KB5252]

Are you familiar with evolutionary theory? It states that new species arise through gradual adaptations in existing species driven by natural selection. The fact that monkeys exhibit homosexual behavior, as well as humans, could be of interest. I'm not saying it is for sure, but it could be. That is all I meant. I think you are trying entirely too hard to pick a fight here.

As for the rest of your post, I have no clue what you are trying to say.

In natural selection inferior species and individuals are rooted out. Are you saying that homosexuals are inferior because they cannot procreate?

 

[rjd970]

In natural selection inferior species and individuals are rooted out. Are you saying that homosexuals are inferior because they cannot procreate?

No, I am saying if evolutionary theory is correct, than the fact that humans aren't the only species doing this (in fact, not even the only primates) then it could lend credence to the proposition there actually could be a "gay gene" in the wild kingdom. It's evident in nature, and not something unique to humans.

 

[IPorange]

No, I am saying if evolutionary theory is correct, than the fact that humans aren't the only species doing this (in fact, not even the only primates) then it could lend credence to the proposition there actually could be a "gay gene" in the wild kingdom. It's evident in nature, and not something unique to humans.

I would argue that a "gay gene" is assuming too much. Might there be the same driver? Yes. But that doesn't mean it is necessarily purely genetic. Some speculation has been focused on prenatal hormone levels, for example.