Can the Republican Party recover?

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volfanhill said:
It’s really surprising to me that the Dem supporters on here haven’t paused to ask what the hell is going on? How often does a party kick a sitting POTUS out of office but make no gains in the Senate and lose ground in the House. That should scare the crap out of them. It’s not that liberal policies are suddenly being embraced. It’s that enough people are over Trump that he got bounced.
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Agree.
 
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Roustabout said:
I agree on Gay marriage:
What do you mean by “drop the racism?”
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The dalliances with white nationalism. This has always been the crazy uncle in the Republican party, but they just can't bring themselves to stop inviting him to Thanksgiving dinner because, deep down, they kinda dig his jokes.
 
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Vol737 said:
And there’s several races (8?) still not called that Republicans lead in all of them. Would close the gap significantly in the house when all said and done.
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Not such a bad thing if that comes to fruition. Balance is key right now. Our congressional leaders must relearn how to compromise and put the best interests of this country above their party's political interests and their own self interests
 
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evillawyer said:
The dalliances with white nationalism. This has always been the crazy uncle in the Republican party, but they just can't bring themselves to stop inviting him to Thanksgiving dinner because, deep down, they kinda dig his jokes.
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Is there a link available of this dalliance by the RNC?

I think it was more than a dalliance when FDR was putting Japanese-Americans behind fences.
 
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evillawyer said:
Let's not act like there's no there there.

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

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And I thought George Wallace ran for President in 1968 as an Independent, and carried 5 states in the South. The "Southern strategy" must not have worked very well. In 1972 and 1976, Wallace ran as a Democrat, and won 5 Democratic primaries and 3 primaries , respectively. Seems like you guys gave the Repubs plenty of competition for the "racist" vote.
 
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evillawyer said:
The dalliances with white nationalism. This has always been the crazy uncle in the Republican party, but they just can't bring themselves to stop inviting him to Thanksgiving dinner because, deep down, they kinda dig his jokes.
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And let’s not pretend like Dems haven’t openly supported lawlessness. You do see why the down ballot votes the Dems got their ass kicked right? Maybe “Defund the police” is a bad strategy. Maybe pretending like riots are fine, or at least justifying them, isn’t playing well. And continuing BLM leaders to have input isn’t helping you. Make them, without equivocation denounce looting and rioting, but they won’t. It’s alway a “yea but.”
 
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evillawyer said:
Let's not act like there's no there there.

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She’s not presented her opinion very well. She started with Muslims holding office and not being sworn in on the Bible and wearing their traditional head covering in the Capitol. Those things alone aren’t a problem of any Republican that I know personally. It’s her own opinion. Her valid point was the last one. Sharia law is the issue, not the religion or the ethnicities. We aren’t going to tolerate beheadings, physical abuse toward women, or throwing the gay fellers off of roof tops in this country. We have good laws in place addressing those things. We do allow her to share her dislike of the religion, the attire, and the customs.
 
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evillawyer said:
The dalliances with white nationalism. This has always been the crazy uncle in the Republican party, but they just can't bring themselves to stop inviting him to Thanksgiving dinner because, deep down, they kinda dig his jokes.
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You keep saying this, but saying it and proving it are two different things. Since you made a claim, care to support it??
 
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evillawyer said:
Louisiana Congressman Steve Scalise spoke at 2002 event hosted by David Duke-led white nationalist group

A Timeline of Steve King’s Racist Remarks and Divisive Actions (Published 2019)

The Texas GOP Gives Itself a Tough Task: Rooting Out Racism in the Party

GOP Chairwoman Apologizes For Posting Image Of Obama As Chimp

Republican Rep Nominee Likens Obamas to Monkeys

Should I go on?
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Yes, go on. Didn’t Republicans take action against those individuals? Most of those examples are “associating” with other people. That’s painting with a very broad brush.

Which Senate LEADER said this and the Dems never removed him? He had to die 14 years later to be replaced. Hint: he also organized a chapter of the Ku Klux Klan.

"The drive for same-sex marriage is, in effect, an effort to make a sneak attack on society by encoding this aberrant behavior in legal form before society itself has decided it should be legal. [...] Let us defend the oldest institution, the institution of marriage between male and female as set forth in the Holy Bible."
 
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Did I miss something or did Republicans not pick up a lot of seats in state houses across the country?

Did everyone not predict a blue wave only for Republicans to have red wave picking up seats in the house?

The Republican party is now Trump's Republican Party, and once dementia Joe and heels starts going Socialist, Republicans will finally take the house back in 2 years.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Did I miss something or did Republicans not pick up a lot of seats in state houses across the country?

Did everyone not predict a blue wave only for Republicans to have red wave picking up seats in the house?

The Republican party is now Trump's Republican Party, and once dementia Joe and heels starts going Socialist, Republicans will finally take the house back in 2 years.
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Dems don't stand a chance at keeping the house in 2 years.
 
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Roustabout said:
Although conservative, I haven’t voted Republican in a presidential election in over 12 years. I’ve been dissatisfied with the direction of the party and based on this last election, I could see things going down pretty fast. Looking back, the idea that a guy like Trump could even be seriously considered, much less win, was beyond reason for me.

While I believed Trump would shake up the party, I didn’t know if it would for better or worse. Four years later and the swamp isn’t drained. Trump galvanized a particular base, and quite frankly, those people scare me as much as the most radical liberal. After his tenure, I see a country more divided, more misinformed, and more hostile towards one another. Trump was polarizing and brought out the worst on both sides.

I would love to see the Republican Party redefine itself and evaluate its platform.

What are the main areas and issues that you see needing a rethink for the GOP to avoid its demise?
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Prior GOP canon: Free Trade, Conservative Fiscal Policy and World Leadership.

Trump canon: Tariffs, Expanding Fiscal Deficits and World Isolation.

The world is getting smaller and walls are a failed policy. The gap between the richest and poorest in our country expands. We need allies and trade partners, and can't and shouldn't go it alone.

The Congressional GOP "leadership" is largely a group of sycophantic, self-absorbed plebes.

Would welcome change in the party, but don't see it happening anytime soon.
 
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evillawyer said:
Louisiana Congressman Steve Scalise spoke at 2002 event hosted by David Duke-led white nationalist group

A Timeline of Steve King’s Racist Remarks and Divisive Actions (Published 2019)

The Texas GOP Gives Itself a Tough Task: Rooting Out Racism in the Party

GOP Chairwoman Apologizes For Posting Image Of Obama As Chimp

Republican Rep Nominee Likens Obamas to Monkeys

Should I go on?
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You’re going to have to.

These are anecdotal, and in most cases unverified, fringe, second hand news sources.

One is from someone who didn’t even get elected to office. This is bad even for you. This is clear confirmation bias, taking what you believe and then finding the most obscure references to racism and conflating that to “white nationalism.”

Here was the first example of racism. This picture.
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Here is another quote from that article.

Sue Piner, chair of the Comal County GOP, shared a post on her Facebook page with a picture of liberal billionaire George Soros, who is often the target of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, with a fabricated quotation attributed to him that read, “I pay white cops to murder black people. And then I pay black people to riot because race wars keep the sheep in line.
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That’s white nationalism? Umkay. This is a typical tactic of leftists. You redefine terms according to your own bias so you can say “look racism.” It’s BS and you should know better.

Lastly let’s look at the opening paragraph and see how this is 100% presumptive.
.After GOP leaders in 12 counties posted racist responses to the George Floyd protests, top Republicans declared war on bigotry in their party. It’s not going to be easy.
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It assumes what it is going to attempt prove. It stitches together a few random, unconnected, incidents that may lack taste but certainly aren’t evidence of white nationalism. That is called begging the question.

The article wraps up by doubling down on the same.

What does this all add up to? Well, for one, a demonstration that if Mark Zuckerberg had instituted a maximum age limit on his demonic website early on, the country would be a different place. In truth, these kinds of sentiments are not uncommon among conservative activists in Texas. Far from it: they’re a dime a dozen, and they have been for years.
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This is no different than the Right wing conspiracy nuts that post articles from fringe journals. The difference is you source poisoned without doing what I just did. Actually reading dissecting the article to expose its error and fallacy. You should take notes and learn.

The white nationalist narrative was paramount to promoting the racist you just elected. A guy who actually called black children roaches, made being poor and dumb synonymous with being black, and said if you don’t vote for him you aren’t really black. Only a person being propped up by the media at large could say those things and be virtually untouched or challenged.

Lastly, and most importantly, the article claims the top GOP leader are intolerant of anything that even smells of racism and that they are the ones taking action. It actually undermines the point you’re trying g to make.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Give me an R who actually is fiscally conservative and not batsh!t crazy on social issues, and I actually would vote R. Until then, I'm most likely continuing voting libertarian.
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That’s one of my issues..... I’m more socially liberal but find both sides to be batsh$t crazy on this issue..... conservatives try to force everyone into their belief system while liberals go overboard in dealing with social issues.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
She’s not presented her opinion very well. She started with Muslims holding office and not being sworn in on the Bible and wearing their traditional head covering in the Capitol. Those things alone aren’t a problem of any Republican that I know personally. It’s her own opinion. Her valid point was the last one. Sharia law is the issue, not the religion or the ethnicities. We aren’t going to tolerate beheadings, physical abuse toward women, or throwing the gay fellers off of roof tops in this country. We have good laws in place addressing those things. We do allow her to share her dislike of the religion, the attire, and the customs.
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What about the gay gals?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You know, I said that about 10 or 15 years ago. But within the last few years, I'm beginning to think America owes Dan Quayle a huge apology. It is like whoever is controlling us wants to destroy the traditional nuclear family and replace it with perversion. And I'm far from the most religious person out here or a Bible thumper. But there is a lot to be said about having strong traditional families. So many social and economic problems could be solved be going back to those values.
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Marx said the traditional, natural family was the enemy of socialism as is Christianity, that's why he and his followers have been trying to destroy both.
 
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