Can the Republican Party recover?

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evillawyer said:
Drop the racism and move to a socially moderate, fiscally conservative position. Give up on gay marriage. That ship has sailed. Stop trying to overturn Roe v. Wade. If you succeed, you won't like the consequences. Stop relishing in the cruelty you can cause others.
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What consequences in preventing the murder of innocent babies? What cruelty do you fools think we're relishing in? Sucking the brains from babies is cruel. You're a sicko.
 
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volfanhill said:
It’s really surprising to me that the Dem supporters on here haven’t paused to ask what the hell is going on? How often does a party kick a sitting POTUS out of office but make no gains in the Senate and lose ground in the House. That should scare the crap out of them. It’s not that liberal policies are suddenly being embraced. It’s that enough people are over Trump that he got bounced.
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They had to cheat to do.
 
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volfanhill said:
Losing ground? They picked up more house seats and will retain control of the senate. That’s not losing ground. The left beat Trump. Not the GOP. If I were a Dem I would be extremely worried about continued support of BLM and defund the police rhetoric. It was obviously soundly rejected by the masses.
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The left cheated, they counted tens of thousands of illegal ballots. They set this us the whole time
 
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Roustabout said:
Although conservative, I haven’t voted Republican in a presidential election in over 12 years. I’ve been dissatisfied with the direction of the party and based on this last election, I could see things going down pretty fast. Looking back, the idea that a guy like Trump could even be seriously considered, much less win, was beyond reason for me.

While I believed Trump would shake up the party, I didn’t know if it would for better or worse. Four years later and the swamp isn’t drained. Trump galvanized a particular base, and quite frankly, those people scare me as much as the most radical liberal. After his tenure, I see a country more divided, more misinformed, and more hostile towards one another. Trump was polarizing and brought out the worst on both sides.

I would love to see the Republican Party redefine itself and evaluate its platform.

What are the main areas and issues that you see needing a rethink for the GOP to avoid its demise?
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Yes but they need to get back to their roots. I mean way back to their roots of small government, fiscally conservative, etc.

Trump has some very liberal ideas being anti-free trade, deficit spending, etc. It really surprised me how many "conservative" voters supported him.

He even talked about big socialist ideas while campaigning (we'll get insurance for everyone!).

I can somewhat wrap my head around Regan's spending, we were in such an economic mess we needed some type of spark, plus nobody really knew what to do about Russia and the cold war. But we really haven't had a true fiscal conservative since Eisenhower. He barely impacted the debt while accomplishing some big things (like the interstate system).

The party has been lost in the wilderness for a long time....you can't make me believe there was any difference in Bush and Obama.

But tackling the debt is not something one President can do. If tackled too quickly it would spark a massive depression. It needs to be a coordinated effort over a 20-30 year span. Coordination takes a back seat to getting reelected and greasing palms of donors.

Right now just these three things: defense spending, interest expense and entitlements are 140% of tax receipts.

Mind boggling
 
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MurphyVol said:
Yes but they need to get back to their roots. I mean way back to their roots of small government, fiscally conservative, etc.

Trump has some very liberal ideas being anti-free trade, deficit spending, etc. It really surprised me how many "conservative" voters supported him.

He even talked about big socialist ideas while campaigning (we'll get insurance for everyone!).

I can somewhat wrap my head around Regan's spending, we were in such an economic mess we needed some type of spark, plus nobody really knew what to do about Russia and the cold war. But we really haven't had a true fiscal conservative since Eisenhower. He barely impacted the debt while accomplishing some big things (like the interstate system).

The party has been lost in the wilderness for a long time....you can't make me believe there was any difference in Bush and Obama.

But tackling the debt is not something one President can do. If tackled too quickly it would spark a massive depression. It needs to be a coordinated effort over a 20-30 year span. Coordination takes a back seat to getting reelected and greasing palms of donors.

Right now just these three things: defense spending, interest expense and entitlements are 140% of tax receipts.

Mind boggling
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And how do you win opposing minds to this philosophy. It’s pretty obvious that the majority of people want government in their lives.
 
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Roustabout said:
And how do you win opposing minds to this philosophy. It’s pretty obvious that the majority of people want government in their lives.
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My very uninformed guess is make a little noise that casts the smallest bit of doubt that some federal pension, social security payments, etc will be a "struggle" to make and you'd get a chunk of people behind sound fiscal policies in a hurry.

I'd pose this question to someone-. Would you support....a border wall, the continued occupation of Afghanistan, enhanced welfare (take your pick) if it meant a 10% haircut to your social security or a .50 cent gas tax. Things would get real to people really quick.
 
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MurphyVol said:
My very uninformed guess is make a little noise that casts the smallest bit of doubt that some federal pension, social security payments, etc will be a "struggle" to make and you'd get a chunk of people behind sound fiscal policies in a hurry.

I'd pose this question to someone-. Would you support....a border wall, the continued occupation of Afghanistan, enhanced welfare (take your pick) if it meant a 10% haircut to your social security or a .50 cent gas tax. Things would get real to people really quick.
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Possibly. I think you’d have a hard one form the “benefits” side.
I don’t think the party wants to be reformed. It’s still a good ole boy network. Look at Georgia. They’re fed up with the republicans.
 
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Roustabout said:
Possibly. I think you’d have a hard one form the “benefits” side.
I don’t think the party wants to be reformed. It’s still a good ole boy network. Look at Georgia. They’re fed up with the republicans.
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I think you're right, why fix it if it ain't broke.

Someone needs to go in TV with a simple whiteboard and show "we took in 8 billion yesterday, we spent 10, so we're going to borrow the 2 from China"

People just don't understand and both parties do a masterful job of distraction with racism, abortion, gay marriage, who is taking a leak in which bathroom....they truly don't care about any of this stuff, but it's an effective smokescreen.
 
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AirVol said:
Can you imagine if Don Jr had children on his laptop? The left would want a full blown investigation.
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The left has been pushing for legalized pedophilia for years. This is why you see them pushing for kids to have sex change operations and encourage kids to do drag shows in front of adults.
 
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My answer to the question is “easily:”

The party or politician that appears to best hold the center will dominate elections.

Biden ran a milquetoast reunification campaign that broke with “his base” (according to people here) on several fringe issues like defunding the police. And he won a pretty convincing victory. That probably doesn’t tell us a lot because he ran against a deeply unpopular incumbent who had failed to meaningfully address a public health crisis that ran his only selling point into the ground.

But, IMO, down ballot races do tell us a lot. Democrat politicians who were successfully associated with their party’s radicals got wrecked in swing districts.

We’re in a political period where you’ve got crazies like Marjorie Greene and Ilhan Omar on both sides who are more than likely going to be in Congress because a rock painted with a D or R in their respective districts would win. Republicans appear far better at using the left’s crazies to broad brush Democrats than vice versa.
 
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Trump needs to run again in 2024 as an independent. We need another option than the classic 2 party system. He could win and help pave the way. I’m tired of dems and reps
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
He just received more votes and any sitting president in history. He has the support
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I don't care. The R party needs a Trump light, someone less brash but still outside of the establishment. If they go back to the Bush, McCain, McConnell clone they are done in the WH. 2024 should be the easiest Presidential election for the Republicans since 1984.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't care. The R party needs a Trump light, someone less brash but still outside of the establishment. If they go back to the Bush, McCain, McConnell clone they are done in the WH. 2024 should be the easiest Presidential election for the Republicans since 1984.
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Easy? Who is your candidate?
 
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Roustabout said:
Easy? Who is your candidate?
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Don't have one yet.

When I say 2024 could be the easiest presidential election for the Rs that's because Harris/Biden will have alienated the vast majority of the so called independents by then. Destroyed their support in the rust belt and have the economy teetering on a depression. All the Rs need is a charismatic outside the beltway guy/girl that won't scare the imbecilic masses.
 
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hog88 said:
Don't have one yet.

When I say 2024 could be the easiest presidential election for the Rs that's because Harris/Biden will have alienated the vast majority of the so called independents by then. Destroyed their support in the rust belt and have the economy teetering on a depression. All the Rs need is a charismatic outside the beltway guy/girl that won't scare the imbecilic masses.
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Maybe I’m wrong but I think the economy is more resilient than you think. No one seems to care about national debt. Why start now?
 
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Roustabout said:
Maybe I’m wrong but I think the economy is more resilient than you think. No one seems to care about national debt. Why start now?
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The Harris/Biden tax plan (if passed) is a job killer. Now, I don't think it has a chance at passing if the Rs keep the Senate BUT the Harris/Biden cabinet has the power to enact regulations that will accomplish the same goal. If Trump did anything he should be credited for it's taking the threat of big government regulation off of business.
 
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hog88 said:
The Harris/Biden tax plan (if passed) is a job killer. Now, I don't think it has a chance at passing if the Rs keep the Senate BUT the Harris/Biden cabinet has the power to enact regulations that will accomplish the same goal. If Trump did anything he should be credited for it's taking the threat of big government regulation off of business.
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After 1 year of Biden and 3 years of Harris it’s entirely possible that many who hated Trump and voted against him could decide that while he’s a miserable human being his policies weren’t so bad. If Trump keeps his dialog with his base open over the next four years he will be one of the favorites to win the nomination. And the admin on deck might very well silence the critics. Also over the next four years the GOP will continue to flush out old guard members who want to try and restore the status quo. That party is indeed dead.
 
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