Cancel Dr. Seuss

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#276
I loved pepe le pew cartoons when i was a kid just like I did the road runner and coyote. If my grandkids start on me about this cancel culture crap I'm going to light in on them.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
How did the US get so overwhelmed and butt hurt with the pussification?
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I started to say maybe it really got going with the Viet Nam antiwar protests (the peace lovers - mainly the ones who loved peace because they didn't want to participate), and then all the "self help" books that people devoured, and then the frenzy to see shrinks. Maybe it's some of all that stuff, but wherever it started, the internet and social media put it on steroids and it's going exponentially off the rails. Like at least half the people have lost their collective minds, and the left is pushing it for all it's worth.
 
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Apparently our resident liberals have no problem in the banning of books. I guess burning them will be next?

I thought this was the the United States of America not a socialist country. If you don't want to read something then don't but don't keep others from it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Perhaps you missed the part where the Latin people were objecting to the silly white folks that decided it was "offensive."

The Cartoon Network tried killing it off 20 years ago until the uproar out of the Hispanic community made them put it back.

Perhaps white liberals should focus on their own problems before starting crusades trying to "help" others.
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While I acknowledge and agree that the overly aggrieved white liberal being more offended than the marginalized group is absurd, can we agree that if the marginalized group says it’s offensive (see the Africans in Dr Seuss book) then it’s probably for the best to move on from that imagery? Particularly if it’s the private company making the choice to move on?

FTR, the NYT columnist is black. He also only mentions Speedy and Pepe in one paragraph.
Opinion | Six Seuss Books Bore a Bias
 
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AM64 said:
I started to say maybe it really got going with the Viet Nam antiwar protests (the peace lovers - mainly the ones who loved peace because they didn't want to participate), and then all the "self help" books that people devoured, and then the frenzy to see shrinks. Maybe it's some of all that stuff, but wherever it started, the internet and social media put it on steroids and it's going exponentially off the rails. Like at least half the people have lost their collective minds, and the left is pushing it for all it's worth.
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It's also that now the minority rules. Now days If you have 100 people and 99 agree with something, but 1 person believes/finds it incorrect, hurtful or offensive then those 99 people must change their minds or be labeled nazis, racists or sexist etc...

Take the Anazon app logo the other day at one time in our country that would be a "hey look that app kinda looks like hitler! Someone would say yeah that's kinda funny!" and that would be the end of it.

Now companies walk on egg shells to appease the minority. Does anyone actually believe that the majority of this country wants Dr. Suess books banned? Or Mr. Potato Head gender neutral? Of course not but those that do want it have the liberal left, the media and internet companies on their side so what ever they want they are getting and Dr. Suess want be the end of it.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
While I acknowledge and agree that the overly aggrieved white liberal being more offended than the marginalized group is absurd, can we agree that if the marginalized group says it’s offensive (see the Africans in Dr Seuss book) then it’s probably for the best to move on from that imagery? Particularly if it’s the private company making the choice to move on?

FTR, the NYT columnist is black. He also only mentions Speedy and Pepe in one paragraph.
Opinion | Six Seuss Books Bore a Bias
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As a superstraight white male conservative, I'm continually marginalized by your posts, and find them offensive. Stop posting, bigot.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
While I acknowledge and agree that the overly aggrieved white liberal being more offended than the marginalized group is absurd, can we agree that if the marginalized group says it’s offensive (see the Africans in Dr Seuss book) then it’s probably for the best to move on from that imagery? Particularly if it’s the private company making the choice to move on?

FTR, the NYT columnist is black. He also only mentions Speedy and Pepe in one paragraph.
Opinion | Six Seuss Books Bore a Bias
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Charles Blow is a race baiting, liberal s-wad
 
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Carl Pickens said:
How did the US get so overwhelmed and butt hurt with the pussification?
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Remember the cry baby kids in school? The ones that no one listened to and got told to suck it up buttercup? Well now those kids are grown up and now they’re being enabled.

I personally would be ashamed of myself if I were so easily hurt or offended at every single thing. But not the left, they embrace it.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
It's also that now the minority rules. Now days If you have 100 people and 99 agree with something, but 1 person believes/finds it incorrect, hurtful or offensive then those 99 people must change their minds or be labeled nazis, racists or sexist etc...

Take the Anazon app logo the other day at one time in our country that would be a "hey look that app kinda looks like hitler! Someone would say yeah that's kinda funny!" and that would be the end of it.

Now companies walk on egg shells to appease the minority. Does anyone actually believe that the majority of this country wants Dr. Suess books banned? Or Mr. Potato Head gender neutral? Of course not but those that do want it have the liberal left, the media and internet companies on their side so what ever they want they are getting and Dr. Suess want be the end of it.
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No one was offended or calling for Amazon to fix their app icon. It was jokingly pointed out that it looked a little Hitlerly. The company doesn’t want people looking at their app and thinking about Hitler whether it’s in jest or otherwise. They quietly made a subtle edit. There is humor in the situation but really not a big deal.

As for Potato Head, Mr and Mrs are STILL the central characters of the line. No one was offended or calling for the change. Hasbro made a rebranding decision and it hurt more feelings than continuing to use traditional pronouns ever would have.

Dr Seuss is not anywhere close to the first time dated racist imagery has been pulled BY A PRIVATE COMPANY. Again, I will point to Looney Toons pulling their WWII episodes from syndication in the 1960s. There are still 54 Seuss books still available. The 6 discontinued probably wouldn’t make anyone’s top 10 of Seuss books they can remember.
 
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VolStrom said:
I loved pepe le pew cartoons when i was a kid just like I did the road runner and coyote. If my grandkids start on me about this cancel culture crap I'm going to light in on them.
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Pepe LaPew is dumb. Anyone who puts up a picture of him is dumb as well.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
No one was offended or calling for Amazon to fix their app icon. It was jokingly pointed out that it looked a little Hitlerly. The company doesn’t want people looking at their app and thinking about Hitler whether it’s in jest or otherwise. They quietly made a subtle edit. There is humor in the situation but really not a big deal.

As for Potato Head, Mr and Mrs are STILL the central characters of the line. No one was offended or calling for the change. Hasbro made a rebranding decision and it hurt more feelings than continuing to use traditional pronouns ever would have.

Dr Seuss is not anywhere close to the first time dated racist imagery has been pulled BY A PRIVATE COMPANY. Again, I will point to Looney Toons pulling their WWII episodes from syndication in the 1960s. There are still 54 Seuss books still available. The 6 discontinued probably wouldn’t make anyone’s top 10 of Seuss books they can remember.
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You completely miss the whole point!
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Meh.
Not concerned
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
No one was offended or calling for Amazon to fix their app icon. It was jokingly pointed out that it looked a little Hitlerly. The company doesn’t want people looking at their app and thinking about Hitler whether it’s in jest or otherwise. They quietly made a subtle edit. There is humor in the situation but really not a big deal.

As for Potato Head, Mr and Mrs are STILL the central characters of the line. No one was offended or calling for the change. Hasbro made a rebranding decision and it hurt more feelings than continuing to use traditional pronouns ever would have.

Dr Seuss is not anywhere close to the first time dated racist imagery has been pulled BY A PRIVATE COMPANY. Again, I will point to Looney Toons pulling their WWII episodes from syndication in the 1960s. There are still 54 Seuss books still available. The 6 discontinued probably wouldn’t make anyone’s top 10 of Seuss books they can remember.
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Agree with some of this but eBay suspending sales of these books and now libraries pulling them from the shelves shows how a tiny minority of people being offended for others has inordinate power.

The study that outed Seuss books also claimed that when he used humans "most" were white so his work perpetuated whiteness and white supremacy (across all his children's books). Honestly I don't see how anyone looking at a conclusion like that doesn't see the insanity in it.

so yes the company that owns the books can do whatever they like but the larger phenomenon of offense archeology is certainly worthy of criticism.
 
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volinbham said:
Agree with some of this but eBay suspending sales of these books and now libraries pulling them from the shelves shows how a tiny minority of people being offended for others has inordinate power.

The study that outed Seuss books also claimed that when he used humans "most" were white so his work perpetuated whiteness and white supremacy (across all his children's books). Honestly I don't see how anyone looking at a conclusion like that doesn't see the insanity in it.

so yes the company that owns the books can do whatever they like but the larger phenomenon of offense archeology is certainly worthy of criticism.
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I don’t think that it’s JUST that the majority of the human characters are white, it’s that the few POC are are generally depicted as very stereotypical caricatures. Almost all of them in fact.

My take, Seuss (Geisel) was a flat out racist in his younger days. This is undeniable from some of his early political cartoons and advertising work. When he started doing children’s books that didn’t just vanish from his work. The most noticeable is the Africans in ‘If I ran the zoo’. As he aged he did seem to reconcile some of those beliefs and tried to address them in his later works. He was a complex human who created some works with some “dated” imagery of Asian and African people. I don’t have a problem phasing out the works containing that imagery or even de-emphasizing him from Read Across America. The vast majority of his work is still available and there are thousands of other great children’s books to promote during that annual campaign.

That said, I do agree ebay blocking the resale of existing books is absurd. I’m indifferent to libraries pulling them.

Here is a down to earth take from some black guys who spend a good bit of time laughing at “cancel culture”. They have a grounded take on why such imagery remaining in circulation and still being monetized to this day is harmful.

 
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When are we going to cancel Babar for being French and marrying his cousin.

Wonder if that cousin marrying thing is why Bama has an elephant as a mascot?
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I don’t think that it’s JUST that the majority of the human characters are white, it’s that the few POC are are generally depicted as very stereotypical caricatures. Almost all of them in fact.

My take, Seuss (Geisel) was a flat out racist in his younger days. This is undeniable from some of his early political cartoons and advertising work. When he started doing children’s books that didn’t just vanish from his work. The most noticeable is the Africans in ‘If I ran the zoo’. As he aged he did seem to reconcile some of those beliefs and tried to address them in his later works. He was a complex human who created some works with some “dated” imagery of Asian and African people. I don’t have a problem phasing out the works containing that imagery or even de-emphasizing him from Read Across America. The vast majority of his work is still available and there are thousands of other great children’s books to promote during that annual campaign.

That said, I do agree ebay blocking the resale of existing books is absurd. I’m indifferent to libraries pulling them.

Here is a down to earth take from some black guys who spend a good bit of time laughing at “cancel culture”. They have a grounded take on why such imagery remaining in circulation and still being monetized to this day is harmful.

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see bolded - that's not the conclusion of the study I read.

I saw a critique of his books (not the problematic ones) from a left wing publication that also concluded that Where the Wild Things Are is problematic because it's Colonialism and the white character comes to the native island and bullies them into making him the leader. Also same story for Curious George (more Colonialism). The point? Some people will always look for the offense - we should generally ignore these people instead of seeking to appease them.
 
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Any truth to the rumor that Curious George will now be known as Bi-Curious George?
 
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