Can't Coach Speed Haters!

[TGVol]

It is ignored because it is irrelevant. He wasn't the DC at UGA.

It is highly relevant but ignored because it does not neatly fit the story that "Butch gets it".
The other bearcat assistant Butch brought in from Cincy was the DC at UGA (from what I read him and Jancek had reversed reporting roles but were both on staffs that both Kiffin and Dooley put a beating on). You can chose which one you think is responsible for our defense - I blame both of them since I don't know for sure which one is actually calling the shots.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I wonder if this team could win conference usa? Maybe we need a system of relegation and promotion like English soccer. The Vols don't known how to win. It's cultural. They got a taste but it wasn't enough to make them play to thier maximum capability in the face of long odds. We need to start stringing some wins together if the culture is to change. For God's sake get Oklahoma off next year's schedule. We're not going to be a factor in the BCS any time soon so it's not as if it'll hurt us to be branded with a cupcake schedule. Team 118 needs 4 guaranteed wins before they even think about conference games.

 

[deaconkane]

For the love of all that is holy VolNation....this staff can't help the bare cupboard of speed and upper S.E.C. elite defensive talent they have to work with. Brick by brick recruit sell the vision recruit recruit recruit the speed back to Tennessee! That is all Butch and company can do for now! I am glad the 30 commitments of elite level athletes get it and know it!

Malzahn inherited top level talent that Chizik couldn't coach up after he left Auburn. It was obvious how out classed of speed and level of athletes we have through these last 3 games especially. Butch got #117 to play above there pabilities against Georgia and South Carolina teams and beat them up and should of had 2 W's for both of them. He flat out showed he could out coach Richt and Spurrier with lesser talent. I'm amazed how quickly everyone has forgotten that! But this gauntlet of top 10 teams has mentally broken these players and fan base quite honestly!!!!

This is year 4 of Dooley's recruits and this would be the year a lot of you guys said we would know what we had with him with his players in place. Well now we all know. He choked on so many top level DL's and LB's....some of which were to Auburn btw. Mid level ACC or Big Ten level athletes.....especially on DEFENSE!!! That is what Dooley left us with.

So Butch and Co. keep up the hard work on the recruiting trails....because that is all you can do to right this ship....speed, speed, size, and more speed....S.E.C. SPEED!!! Butch's coaching resume and N.F.L. draft pick talent tells me with his own guys he builds championship contenders!!!!

Draft pick? One guy? Ok. Oregon would win almost every race against Stanford. Stanford has the 2nd best coach in cfb. Which would you rather have? Speed or coaching? Coaching for me. I Havent given up on cbj, but if you think speed is the only problem then god bless you.

 

[volfan411]

Jancek had speed when he was at UGA but still sucked and got fired.

And that defense is still bad with a different coach so what are you trying to say.

 

[volfan411]

It is highly relevant but ignored because it does not neatly fit the story that "Butch gets it".
The other bearcat assistant Butch brought in from Cincy was the DC at UGA (from what I read him and Jancek had reversed reporting roles but were both on staffs that both Kiffin and Dooley put a beating on). You can chose which one you think is responsible for our defense - I blame both of them since I don't know for sure which one is actually calling the shots.

Do you understand what a DC coordinators job is. It is to cordinate a game plan and ensure the position coaches understand it and take it to the practice field and execute it. If you are saying the scheme is bad then the coordinator should get the blame if you think as I do that the tacking angles are the major proble then you blame the positon coach.

As I have said multiple times there is no way with the recruiting class we have that any coach gets fired and run the risk of decommitments.

 

[iluvsmesumdooley]

UT beat Carolina, who stomped Vandy. What's gonna be your excuse if we lose to Vandy?

 

[Biopsyman]

UT has very few NFL prospects on its roster....

 

[golfballs]

You can coach technique and good habbits. Our defense is slow, but they are also horrendous at the fundamentals of defense. Line up right, take the right first step at the snap, get off blocks, take good angles, wrap up. We don't do hardly any of those things right. Add in the fact that every player looks like they are running in quick sand, and you have the makings of a blowout every time you face a competent team. Jancek needs to get this figured out.

Yep. More than a function of just being slow

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Seems like we are much more penalized lately than the first few games.

Playing against much better talent sometimes means more penalties because they are as good or better than you and you are trying to get an edge. .

 

[VOLINVONORE]

All those stats would make for an interesting conversation if you can believe that CBJ is as good as Malzahn or Pinkel (in terms of could he had walked into the Auburn job with his bearcat staff and done even remotely as well as Malzahn with that same talent at Auburn). It is impossible for me to believe that right now after what Malzahn and Pinkel did to him (especially to Jancek), so all the rest of those rankings and numbers are meaningless.

Lets review yhis in 3-4 years and see how the chips fall. You may be correct or you may be wrong.

 

[KB5252]

For those saying it is a talent issue........ Vandie and Missouri disagree, they are doing much better than we are with inferior talent. I hate Franklin but he has a well coached team. Our defense is poorly coached, it undeniable.

 

[T_man_J]

For the love of all that is holy VolNation....this staff can't help the bare cupboard of speed and upper S.E.C. elite defensive talent they have to work with. Brick by brick recruit sell the vision recruit recruit recruit the speed back to Tennessee! That is all Butch and company can do for now! I am glad the 30 commitments of elite level athletes get it and know it!

Malzahn inherited top level talent that Chizik couldn't coach up after he left Auburn. It was obvious how out classed of speed and level of athletes we have through these last 3 games especially. Butch got #117 to play above there abilities against Georgia and South Carolina teams and beat them up and should of had 2 W's for both of them. He flat out showed he could out coach Richt and Spurrier with lesser talent. I'm amazed how quickly everyone has forgotten that! But this gauntlet of top 10 teams has mentally broken these players and fan base quite honestly!!!!

This is year 4 of Dooley's recruits and this would be the year a lot of you guys said we would know what we had with him with his players in place. Well now we all know. He choked on so many top level DL's and LB's....some of which were to Auburn btw. Mid level ACC or Big Ten level athletes.....especially on DEFENSE!!! That is what Dooley left us with.

So Butch and Co. keep up the hard work on the recruiting trails....because that is all you can do to right this ship....speed, speed, size, and more speed....S.E.C. SPEED!!! Butch's coaching resume and N.F.L. draft pick talent tells me with his own guys he builds championship contenders!!!!

So you are saying that our kids can't play?

I am tired of posts that imply our team can't compete--they can. You are right, you can't coach speed, but you CAN COACH ANGLES; that ain't getting done. If you recruit speed, and don't teach angles, then our tacklers will just be out-of-position quicker. Missouri doesn't have a player that is rated above three stars. How do you explain their success?

We have comparable team speed (or better) than Missouri. The problem we are facing (from my perspective) is mainly coaching. If you want a detailed breakdown of all issues, shoot me an email, and I'll be glad to elaborate more.

 

[T_man_J]

You can coach technique and good habbits. Our defense is slow, but they are also horrendous at the fundamentals of defense. Line up right, take the right first step at the snap, get off blocks, take good angles, wrap up. We don't do hardly any of those things right. Add in the fact that every player looks like they are running in quick sand, and you have the makings of a blowout every time you face a competent team. Jancek needs to get this figured out.

You are exactly right my friend. I know that one of our DT's is supposed to play the technique, but all of our DT's (except for number 50), play the offensive linemen straight up (like a two gap defender). There isn't any attempts to break separation with a blocker (interior or on the perimeter). This ain't good.

I miss the good old days of the swim technique, getting skinny, and blowing through the gap. Our guys stick to blockers like magnets; this is a coaching/teaching issue.

 

[1972 Grad]

It is ignored because it is irrelevant. He wasn't the DC at UGA.

This is only Jancek's 3rd year as being def co-ordinator on his own. He held that position at Cent Mich in 2004, and at Cincinnati in 2012. He was also a linebacker coach and co-defensive co-ordinator at Georgia in 2009.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

. . . you CAN COACH ANGLES; that ain't getting done. . .

. . . The problem we are facing (from my perspective) is mainly coaching. . .

How do you know what is being coached?

I agree with you absolutely that it is technique and mental discipline that makes the defense so bad. But I am not willing to concede that is simply bad coaching. The players have some responsibility.

I have no idea what is being coached during the week, but from what Coach Jones has been saying at the PCs, it sure sounds as if they are coaching those things and they are not being executed in the game.

I believe this is why Coach Jones has reiterated so many times about his concern for depth. Typically, when a guy does not respond to coaching, you put someone else in there see if they do. With this team, there is no one else. You also can't coach during the game because most all the starters are playing every snap.

I also don't have a real sense of how long it should take to change the culture of a football team. They are making many of the same mistakes they made last year. But, it's also the many of the same players.

It may be true that a coaching change is needed. Maybe that's a coordinator change, or ultimately it may be another head coach change. I don't think so, and I surely hope not. I don't think I can go through this again and remain sane. But, I am almost certain that it is far too early to cast any opinions about how good this coaching staff is.

 

[TroyCG]

The OP is right. You can't coach speed. Or tackling. Or coverage assignments. Or gap responsibility. These things are inherent. We don't have any of them to the degree that a team like Arkansas State or Toledo does or else we might have kept things closer with Auburn or Missouri, like they did.

Wrong! Besides Speed, all of those things are coached. Tackling is technique...coverage assignments and gap responsibility are taught.

If none of those things are coached, then what do coaches actually do?

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

Draft pick? One guy? Ok. Oregon would win almost every race against Stanford. Stanford has the 2nd best coach in cfb. Which would you rather have? Speed or coaching? Coaching for me. I Havent given up on cbj, but if you think speed is the only problem then god bless you.

It is arguable who the 2nd best coach in college football is...yet the same HC you speak of barely squeaked by San Jose State, USC, Arizona, Oregon St., & Washington State....then lost to unranked Washington and Notre Dame while beating Oregon last season. The season before that his Cardinals got stomped like we did by Oregon and lost to Ok. St. in their bowl game. Season before that Oregon stomped them the same way they did us in Stanford's only loss that year.

So if beating Oregon simply makes you the 2nd best head coach in college football...and there can be only one of those....then I'll take speed. Coaches can try to game plan for it but it is very hard to beat especially when you don't have any at all. Speed kills...it is that simple. Fulmer and Bobby Bowden IMHO for example got out coached a lot but would make up for it by simply having to much speed for the opposing team to handle at all positions usually.

Speed with elite superior coaching....then you get Saban/Bama now or Carroll/USC early 2000's results every year....dynasty's!

 

[T_man_J]

How do you know what is being coached?

I agree with you absolutely that it is technique and....

OK, let's take your position. For brevity, let's say that closing angles are covered.

If a player is coached up to take the proper angle, and he continues to make the same mistakes then, that leaves only one possibility: the coach is not connecting with the player. If you are not connecting with the player, then you are not teaching.

If the results are not making it to the field, it is a coaching issue.

 

[txbo]

Per Rivals.com

Tennessee's recruiting class rankings:
2010 #9
2011 #13
2012 #17
2013 #21

As for the rest of the team's we have lost to this season...
Oregon's recruiting class rankings:
2010 #13
2011 #9
2012 #16
2013 #22

After looking at those lists there is no doubt why we can't hang with the big boys...the only one that leaves ME scratching my head at how we got owned is Mizzou...if you ask me Gary Pinkel deserves coach of the year with what he has done with the talent he has!

Our recruiting appears to be on par with Oregon.

 

[txbo]

Wrong! Besides Speed, all of those things are coached. Tackling is technique...coverage assignments and gap responsibility are taught.

If none of those things are coached, then what do coaches actually do?

Actually, speed can indeed be taught. In fact, Oregon does it. Every Oregon player goes through their "speed school" upon entering their program.

 

[OrangeUTopia]

Wrong! Besides Speed, all of those things are coached. Tackling is technique...coverage assignments and gap responsibility are taught.

If none of those things are coached, then what do coaches actually do?

You don't do sarcasm well.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

So you are saying that our kids can't play?

I am tired of posts that imply our team can't compete--they can. You are right, you can't coach speed, but you CAN COACH ANGLES; that ain't getting done. If you recruit speed, and don't teach angles, then our tacklers will just be out-of-position quicker. Missouri doesn't have a player that is rated above three stars. How do you explain their success?

We have comparable team speed (or better) than Missouri. The problem we are facing (from my perspective) is mainly coaching. If you want a detailed breakdown of all issues, shoot me an email, and I'll be glad to elaborate more.

I don't need your email bud. I saw this team play near flawless mentally and physically tough football against Georgia and South Carolina. Since the Bama smack down these kids keep resorting to their terrible habits under Dooley the last 3 years. Team speed is a huge factor when you slip and take a poor angle. When you don't have team speed you have to play perfect. Butch has repeated multiple times our players must make zero mistakes on defense cuz there is no room for error...because our team speed is average compared to our level of competition.

As far as coaching....the man has won Conference Championships every where he has been....proof is in the pudding for me. He knows what he is doing...most of you are to impatient to let him do his thing. I am convinced at this point the only way to correct these years of poor coaching and the loser mentality is simply for these kids to graduate and CBJ roll his players in and build....brick by brick.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

Our recruiting appears to be on par with Oregon.

True proof of a plug and play system type football team. Simply impressive really when you look at those #'s and see those results.

 

[txbo]

?...Missouri doesn't have a player that is rated above three stars. How do you explain .....

That's not true. Just off the top of my head, Dorial Green-Beckham was the top wr recruit in the country.

 

[TGVol]

And that defense is still bad with a different coach so what are you trying to say.

A lot of the guys on our defense were recruited by Wilcox who was also doing a good job coaching them and the defense was definitely improving over the time he was here (wasn't it already ranked in top 30 during his last year?). Butch should go find another DC of that quality asap.