Can't Coach Speed Haters!

#76
#76
T_man_J said:
You are correct. Green-Beckham is the one and only 5-star.

The premise of this thread was that we don't have comparable talent. My argument was that we have better team talent than Missouri (I used the wrong syntax to make my argument).

In fact, and according to Rivals class standings, we do have better team talent:

2009: TN 10; MO 40
2010: TN 9; MO 21
2011: TN 13; MO 48
2012: TN 17; MO 31
2013; TN 21; MO 41
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You have to factor in attrition and the 2010 and 2011 class are essentially gone. There are a few of the linemen left but all the skill position players are gone. So look at from that stand point Senior class versus Senior class.
 
#77
#77
Spartacavolus said:
I think angles is more speed and instinct than coaching. Angles are taught from day one in pee wee football and it never stops. Some kids pick it up quickly and others don't. Better, faster players just happen to have better angles.
No offense to myself, but if speed didn't matter or it was all about technique and angles, there would be more white defensive players playing in the sec.
I see Sutton playing with good football instincts on d, but nowhere else at all.
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That is correct if you do not know angles by the time you reach college you probably should not be in the SEC.

How many think Alabama has to work on tackling drills during the week. With the limited time given to work with the players in college they have to focus on game planning for the next opponent.
 
#78
#78
Posted this in another thread. For those complaining about speed, please tell me where we are lacking... and by how much... 'cause I don't see it. Perhaps the only one lacking is A.J. and he's leading the team in tackles.

This is how slow we are...

Brent Brewer - 4.4
Brian Randolph - 4.5
LaDarrell McNeil - 4.52
Justin Coleman - 4.4
Cameron Sutton - 4.45
A. J. Johnson - 4.65
Dontavis Sapp - 4.56
Malik Foreman - 4.4
Byron Moore - 4.5
Greg King - 4.5

Based on the comments of some, I guess I was expecting to see a lot more 4.6's and 4.7's. smh
 
#79
#79
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Posted this in another thread. For those complaining about speed, please tell me where we are lacking... and by how much... 'cause I don't see it. Perhaps the only one lacking is A.J. and he's leading the team in tackles.

This is how slow we are...

Brent Brewer - 4.4
Brian Randolph - 4.5
LaDarrell McNeil - 4.52
Justin Coleman - 4.4
Cameron Sutton - 4.45
A. J. Johnson - 4.65
Dontavis Sapp - 4.56
Malik Foreman - 4.4
Byron Moore - 4.5
Greg King - 4.5

Based on the comments of some, I guess I was expecting to see a lot more 4.6's and 4.7's. smh
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I heard a great coach say one time it is not how fast you are on Thursday but how fast you play on Saturday. These guys play slow on Saturday and if it makes you feel beter to blame the coach for that then go ahead.
 
#80
#80
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Posted this in another thread. For those complaining about speed, please tell me where we are lacking... and by how much... 'cause I don't see it. Perhaps the only one lacking is A.J. and he's leading the team in tackles.

This is how slow we are...

Brent Brewer - 4.4
Brian Randolph - 4.5
LaDarrell McNeil - 4.52
Justin Coleman - 4.4
Cameron Sutton - 4.45
A. J. Johnson - 4.65
Dontavis Sapp - 4.56
Malik Foreman - 4.4
Byron Moore - 4.5
Greg King - 4.5

Based on the comments of some, I guess I was expecting to see a lot more 4.6's and 4.7's. smh
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Keith Marshall was listed as a 4.4 out of high school.
 
#81
#81
T_man_J said:
OK, let's take your position. For brevity, let's say that closing angles are covered.

If a player is coached up to take the proper angle, and he continues to make the same mistakes then, that leaves only one possibility: the coach is not connecting with the player. If you are not connecting with the player, then you are not teaching.

If the results are not making it to the field, it is a coaching issue.
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So it was Norv Turner's fault that Heath Shuler bombed in the NFL?
 
#84
#84
Spartacavolus said:
And of course Brewer is just as fast as Marshall on the field, right?
Comparing 40 times to judge football speed is flat out stupid.
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No way Brewer is that fast now he was a safety out of high school who grew into a LB.

Yes I agree on the speed aspect but it makes some feel better to blame the coaches. I chose to blame neither it just it what it is this year.
 
#85
#85
They wouldn't look so slow if they played smarter. They can't even get lined up right half the time. These spread teams just gut them like a deer. Can't get off blocks. It's a train wreck on that side of the ball.
 
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#86
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Cartervol said:
They wouldn't look so slow if they played smarter. They can't even get lined up right half the time. These spread teams just gut them like a deer. Can't get off blocks. It's a train wreck on that side of the ball.
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Cannot wait until our offense does that to some teams. :yes:
 
#88
#88
Cartervol said:
Hope it's soon. This defense needs some help..
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My honest opinion is that we are at least 2 seasons away from being good on defense. They will be forced to start young players next year but will gain a lot of experience for the next season.
 
#91
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Posted this in another thread. For those complaining about speed, please tell me where we are lacking... and by how much... 'cause I don't see it. Perhaps the only one lacking is A.J. and he's leading the team in tackles.

This is how slow we are...

Brent Brewer - 4.4
Brian Randolph - 4.5
LaDarrell McNeil - 4.52
Justin Coleman - 4.4
Cameron Sutton - 4.45
A. J. Johnson - 4.65
Dontavis Sapp - 4.56
Malik Foreman - 4.4
Byron Moore - 4.5
Greg King - 4.5

Based on the comments of some, I guess I was expecting to see a lot more 4.6's and 4.7's. smh
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Facts wont help you here.
 
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#92
#92
volfan411 said:
My honest opinion is that we are at least 2 seasons away from being good on defense. They will be forced to start young players next year but will gain a lot of experience for the next season.
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We will be good on d again when we have at least 3 defensive upperclassmen on the field that will be drafted in early rounds. Until we have that talent playing, it will be a struggle.
 
#94
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
For the love of all that is holy VolNation....this staff can't help the bare cupboard of speed and upper S.E.C. elite defensive talent they have to work with. Brick by brick recruit sell the vision recruit recruit recruit the speed back to Tennessee! That is all Butch and company can do for now! I am glad the 30 commitments of elite level athletes get it and know it!

Malzahn inherited top level talent that Chizik couldn't coach up after he left Auburn. It was obvious how out classed of speed and level of athletes we have through these last 3 games especially. Butch got #117 to play above there abilities against Georgia and South Carolina teams and beat them up and should of had 2 W's for both of them. He flat out showed he could out coach Richt and Spurrier with lesser talent. I'm amazed how quickly everyone has forgotten that! But this gauntlet of top 10 teams has mentally broken these players and fan base quite honestly!!!!

This is year 4 of Dooley's recruits and this would be the year a lot of you guys said we would know what we had with him with his players in place. Well now we all know. He choked on so many top level DL's and LB's....some of which were to Auburn btw. Mid level ACC or Big Ten level athletes.....especially on DEFENSE!!! That is what Dooley left us with.

So Butch and Co. keep up the hard work on the recruiting trails....because that is all you can do to right this ship....speed, speed, size, and more speed....S.E.C. SPEED!!! Butch's coaching resume and N.F.L. draft pick talent tells me with his own guys he builds championship contenders!!!!
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I'm willing to bet $10 the OP was blaming Sunseri for last year's D. It's the same players and Sunseri did'nt recruit them.

Blaming speed is fine, but you can't blame Sunseri if that's your only argument.
 
#95
#95
Spartacavolus said:
And of course Brewer is just as fast as Marshall on the field, right?
Comparing 40 times to judge football speed is flat out stupid.
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What is stupid to me is all the people complaining that we have no speed, and that is the primary reason for the poor performance, but yet no one (that I have seen) has provided any comparison to support their statements. Below are the starting LB's and secondary for Auburn, from the same rivals site (assuming they are using similar stats for speed) as I pulled the measurements for TN.

So as I've previously asked... somebody tell me where we are lacking in speed. All I've seen are a bunch of excuses and repeated statements, with no one providing any supporting information.

Jermaine Whitehead - 4.48
Josh Holsey - 4.39
Jonathon Mincy - 4.4
Chris Davis - 4.45
Justin Garrett - 4.5
Cassanova McKinzy - 4.69
Jake Holland - 4.53
 
#96
#96
Boca Vol said:
I'm willing to bet $10 the OP was blaming Sunseri for last year's D. It's the same players and Sunseri did'nt recruit them.

Blaming speed is fine, but you can't blame Sunseri if that's your only argument.
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I blamed Sunseri for making a wholesale change of the defense when we really did not have the personnel for it.
 
#97
#97
volfan411 said:
I blamed Sunseri for making a wholesale change of the defense when we really did not have the personnel for it.
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Then that was on Dooley. I'm pretty sure they had a discussion before he was hired as to what kind of D he wanted to run and the players available.
 
#98
#98
Boca Vol said:
Then that was on Dooley. I'm pretty sure they had a discussion before he was hired as to what kind of D he wanted to run and the players available.
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Yes ultimately the Head Coach is responsible the same way the DC does not coach individual players but is responsible for his position coaches. The DC gets a lot of blame for poor angles and poor technique although he may or may not be around the group when they work on fundamentals during the week.

He is the one who should be deciding who plays and who doesn't but that to is based on feed back from position coaches.
 
#99
#99
IBlvNTmWrk said:
What is stupid to me is all the people complaining that we have no speed, and that is the primary reason for the poor performance, but yet no one (that I have seen) has provided any comparison to support their statements. Below are the starting LB's and secondary for Auburn, from the same rivals site (assuming they are using similar stats for speed) as I pulled the measurements for TN.

So as I've previously asked... somebody tell me where we are lacking in speed. All I've seen are a bunch of excuses and repeated statements, with no one providing any supporting information.

Jermaine Whitehead - 4.48
Josh Holsey - 4.39
Jonathon Mincy - 4.4
Chris Davis - 4.45
Justin Garrett - 4.5
Cassanova McKinzy - 4.69
Jake Holland - 4.53
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Most do not understand the difference between being fast and playing the game fast.
 
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