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[butchna]

I disagree that Dooley left the cupboard bare. We had a 2-deep OL and experienced DL. The best coaching staff in America should have been able to work with that to beat Vandy and Florida. I thnk not retaining Pittman was a huge mistake in maintaining continuity in that OL.

Arkansas was lights out I guess...the Pittman factor...we'll settle for Mahoney and when the unit plays better after a year and a half in the same system, we'll credit Sam for you. Butch probably will never reissue the BEST STAFF IN AMERICA moniker...but he believes it...hence him saying it in the first place. WHEN this team excels under his staff's teaching, I expect you to find something equally tiresome to harp on....you've set a high bar.
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[sjt18]

The regression happened when Dobbs started. I don't see why this is even debatable.

Dobbs didn't make guys drop passes or continue to run bad routes or to not finish blocks. He certainly didn't cause McCullers to get pushed into the secondary half the time. He didn't cause kick teams to get out of their lanes. He didn't cause DE's to get hooked. He didn't cause DB's to forget their assignments. He didn't cause defenders to be out of position. He had nothing to do with poor development, game prep, or playcalling by the D coaches.

Jones inherited a worse team than what they had last year. I could not reasonably expect anything good from this team.

I would define 6 or 7 wins as "good" for this team. Their failure to do that had nothing to do with last year.

I guess I just don't know why you expected so much more from mostly atrocious QB play with players who don't exactly fit the new system and had an incompetent "leader" for a coach.

Dooley was not coaching this year. USUALLY, a great coach replacing a bad one will get great buy in... which Jones said he did... and be able to coach the team up... which they didn't.

Maybe I should expect more, but when I see average players + players that don't fit the system I see blowouts.

If the players he had this year do not "fit the system" then he has a very strange way of showing it. The guys he is recruiting are very similar in size and perhaps not as athletic on the lines.

But I'll leave it at that. We both know what's bad and good, and neither of us are judging whether he's the right guy by one year, so I see no sense in arguing.

:hi:

 

[Catbone]

Lol

 

[xfactorutk]

Why do you feel that CBJ deserves zero criticism?

Somewhere buried in the comments, I said I was just kidding by this statement. Just poking the bear so to speak. I'm choosing to withhold opinion on CBJ until next year. He got dealt a tough hand in year 1, so I'm waiting until year 2 to pass judgement. I really believe that Jones is our guy, however, I also believe everybody has their right to voice their opinion. I do also think that people saying CBJ is a bad coach etc. might be a little premature.

 

[Oskie Volum]

Hey SJT...was Sunseri really Dooley's hire?? I see u saying this a lot, but to much pts that it could have been more of a Hart push. Especially after Steeles orange bowl debacle. Just wondering cause it's always put on dooley, but it's well known he had had at least one hand tied behind his back when it came to hiring/firing from day 1.
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[Oskie Volum]

I think it's interesting that we had one of the best Os in UT history under Dooley yet according to all the VN ecoaches the guy couldn't coach. Yes he couldn't get the D right in short period of time, but he was at least trying different options.

It's funny how he gets bashed yet he took a 3* with iirc only a San Diego St offer other than us (maybe 1 other small school) to a bowl game his first year. And with Chaney built the O we saw. Yet CBJ had 1 Gatorade National Player of the Year, a 4* he recruited himself to Cincy, and 2 Elite 11 QBS and couldn't have them ready to play. But apparently he's not able to be criticized. Smfh.
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[rocktopper16]

I think it's interesting that we had one of the best Os in UT history under Dooley yet according to all the VN ecoaches the guy couldn't coach. Yes he couldn't get the D right in short period of time, but he was at least trying different options.

It's funny how he gets bashed yet he took a 3* with iirc only a San Diego St offer other than us (maybe 1 other small school) to a bowl game his first year. And with Chaney built the O we saw. Yet CBJ had 1 Gatorade National Player of the Year, a 4* he recruited himself to Cincy, and 2 Elite 11 QBS and couldn't have them ready to play. But apparently he's not able to be criticized. Smfh.
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If Dooley was that good of a coach we would have players coached up. No one really judged Dooley after year one. He inherited Kiffen's mess. I'll tell you this, Football was more exciting to watch then the years previous. Also, We beat a top 25 team with Butch, Dooley couldn't finish. I'm not saying Butch is better. I'm giving him another year then I'll decide. But his recruiting is starting to win me over.

 

[Oskie Volum]

If Dooley was that good of a coach we would have players coached up. No one really judged Dooley after year one. He inherited Kiffen's mess. I'll tell you this, Football was more exciting to watch then the years previous. Also, We beat a top 25 team with Butch, Dooley couldn't finish. I'm not saying Butch is better. I'm giving him another year then I'll decide. But his recruiting is starting to win me over.

And Kiffen was the gift that kept on giving. Dooley was nvr given enough time to get his stench off the team.

Yes we beat a ranked team that Dooley's team was one fumble away from beating. CBJ got spanked by a Mizzou team dooley lost to in OT. So at the end of the day...dooley went to a bowl game his first season. Went to the wire with an LSU team in BR. All that at the end of the day trumps beating a ranked SEC team with some miracle plays and injury to their QB. See how we can do this all day long???

CBJ needs to take us to a Bowl this next season...no excuses. He make 3 mil a year. So he gets pd to accept it or put a stop to it.
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[Wylo]

And Kiffen was the gift that kept on giving. Dooley was nvr given enough time to get his stench off the team.

Yes we beat a ranked team that Dooley's team was one fumble away from beating. CBJ got spanked by a Mizzou team dooley lost to in OT. So at the end of the day...dooley went to a bowl game his first season. Went to the wire with an LSU team in BR. All that at the end of the day trumps beating a ranked SEC team with some miracle plays and injury to their QB. See how we can do this all day long???

CBJ needs to take us to a Bowl this next season...no excuses. He make 3 mil a year. So he gets pd to accept it or put a stop to it.
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this

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

I think it's interesting that we had one of the best Os in UT history under Dooley yet according to all the VN ecoaches the guy couldn't coach. Yes he couldn't get the D right in short period of time, but he was at least trying different options.

It's funny how he gets bashed yet he took a 3* with iirc only a San Diego St offer other than us (maybe 1 other small school) to a bowl game his first year. And with Chaney built the O we saw. Yet CBJ had 1 Gatorade National Player of the Year, a 4* he recruited himself to Cincy, and 2 Elite 11 QBS and couldn't have them ready to play. But apparently he's not able to be criticized. Smfh.
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When people look at the stat sheet with our offense last year and conclude that we had a good one, I have to give a little dose of reality.

The fact is you could draw plays in the dirt with that offense and look like a genius. And that is exactly what Chaney and co let them do.

It was an offense with little discipline or identity. They neither coached nor controlled Bray. When the game was on the line, the offense folded like Dr Sheldon Cooper's laundry. And finally, they went 5 - 7. A proper offense with those playmakers could have overcome Sal Sunseri in 2 - 3 games, and should have actually.

CP was the most electric Vol since Chuck Webb. They could hit some long TDs but they couldn't pick up 3rd and 1 with any consistency. It was an exciting offense with exciting playmakers. It wasn't a good offense.

As for our current QBs - absolutely right. My only thought is BuJo and Co knew they had to work with Worley intensively with the new offense, and although he wasn't putting up great numbers, the team at least were playing their best ball when he went down mid-season. It took a few games for Tee Martin to really get comfortable too. Year two is essential for massive improvements despite losing both lines.

 

[KBVol]

this

So now I understand. You're a Dooley guy. The first coach in UT history with 3 consecutive losing seasons thing didn't do it for you. I got it....now all the dislike for Jones makes sense.

I'll say this. If Dooley should've gotten more than 3 years after the mess Kiffin left, Jones better damn sure get more than 4-5 after the utter disaster Dooley left. There's 2 sides for you.

 

[KBVol]

When people look at the stat sheet with our offense last year and conclude that we had a good one, I have to give a little dose of reality.

The fact is you could draw plays in the dirt with that offense and look like a genius. And that is exactly what Chaney and co let them do.

It was an offense with little discipline or identity. They neither coached nor controlled Bray. When the game was on the line, the offense folded like Dr Sheldon Cooper's laundry. And finally, they went 5 - 7. A proper offense with those playmakers could have overcome Sal Sunseri in 2 - 3 games, and should have actually.

CP was the most electric Vol since Chuck Webb. They could hit some long TDs but they couldn't pick up 3rd and 1 with any consistency. It was an exciting offense with exciting playmakers. It wasn't a good offense.

As for our current QBs - absolutely right. My only thought is BuJo and Co knew they had to work with Worley intensively with the new offense, and although he wasn't putting up great numbers, the team at least were playing their best ball when he went down mid-season. It took a few games for Tee Martin to really get comfortable too. Year two is essential for massive improvements despite losing both lines.

Outstanding post, chocked full of facts, reason and reality. Unlike the ones you're responding to.

 

[CountVolcula]

So now I understand. You're a Dooley guy. The first coach in UT history with 3 consecutive losing seasons thing didn't do it for you. I got it....now all the dislike for Jones makes sense.

I'll say this. If Dooley should've gotten more than 3 years after the mess Kiffin left, Jones better damn sure get more than 4-5 after the utter disaster Dooley left. There's 2 sides for you.

Lol

Wylo hates Dooley. Always hated Dooley

He just agrees that BJ has done nothing more than Dooley on the field, if not less.

 

[KBVol]

Lol

Wylo hates Dooley. Always hated Dooley

He just agrees that BJ has done nothing more than Dooley on the field, if not less.

Well, he agreed with Oskie.... Again, he agreed with Oskie! What does Oskie constantly post, who does he love, and I mean love. How in the world could I conclude anything different?

Maybe he does hate Dooley, I've only been on here about a year, must've missed it. All I see him doing is hating this staff

 

[KBVol]

Lol

Wylo hates Dooley. Always hated Dooley

He just agrees that BJ has done nothing more than Dooley on the field, if not less.

Less than Dooley? Same record (actually, Dooley only had 4 wins his last year after deciding to quit one final time on his team and not coach the Kentucky game), a win over ranked (top 10) team, with no NFL talent at skill positions, didn't get blown out by Vandy, didn't lose to Kentucky....Less than Dooley? Come on. Jones did more in his first year with less, than Dooley did in his third pathetic year.

 

[TGVol]

Well, he agreed with Oskie.... Again, he agreed with Oskie! What does Oskie constantly post, who does he love, and I mean love.

 

[KBVol]

I don't believe in fairy tales and revisionist history which is what the Dooley lovers peddle

 

[CountVolcula]

Less than Dooley? Same record (actually, Dooley only had 4 wins his last year after deciding to quit one final time on his team and not coach the Kentucky game), a win over ranked (top 10) team, with no NFL talent at skill positions, didn't get blown out by Vandy, didn't lose to Kentucky....Less than Dooley? Come on. Jones did more in his first year with less, than Dooley did in his third pathetic year.

Yes less

Even Dooley made a bowl game his first season and so far that means Jones has done less on the field

 

[CountVolcula]

I don't believe in fairy tales and revisionist history which is what the Dooley lovers peddle

But do you believe we have the Best Staff in America?

Cause that's just as big of a fairy tale

 

[KBVol]

But do you believe we have the Best Staff in America?

Cause that's just as big of a fairy tale

No I don't. But I also understand it was a throwaway line. Every new hire coach makes a similar statement at his initial presser. I took it for what it was.

 

[KBVol]

Yes less

Even Dooley made a bowl game his first season and so far that means Jones has done less on the field

Serious? Don't even know where to start. Don't suppose you'd like to compare Dooley's 2nd and 3rd years to Jones' first would you?

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[TGVol]

Serious? Don't even know where to start.

Learning to accept the facts and your own limitations would be a good place for you to start.

 

[KBVol]

Learning to accept the facts and your own limitations would be a good place for you to start.

Cute. Delusional, but cute.

 

[CountVolcula]

Serious? Don't even know where to start. Don't suppose you'd like to compare Dooley's 2nd and 3rd years to Jones' first would you?

We'll agree to disagree.

5-7 just like Dooley

But, you can't compare because Jones has yet had year two and three

That's like comparing Dooley's first year to Jones' 4th year if he gets it

You have to compare apples to apples

What did each coach do in their first year at UT?

Dooley: 6-6 regular season with 2 OT loss to North Carolina

Jones: 5-7 no bowl

Jones did however win over a ranked opponent his first year and Dooley came close but screwed the pooch with 13 on the field

 

[Other_Guy]

And Kiffen was the gift that kept on giving. Dooley was nvr given enough time to get his stench off the team.

Yes we beat a ranked team that Dooley's team was one fumble away from beating. CBJ got spanked by a Mizzou team dooley lost to in OT. So at the end of the day...dooley went to a bowl game his first season. Went to the wire with an LSU team in BR. All that at the end of the day trumps beating a ranked SEC team with some miracle plays and injury to their QB. See how we can do this all day long???

CBJ needs to take us to a Bowl this next season...no excuses. He make 3 mil a year. So he gets pd to accept it or put a stop to it.
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I understand what you're getting at but i'd like to point out a couple things.

Not only did Dooley have 3 years to to remove the stench, Jones has Dooleys stench.

There is no possible way to compare this year's and last year's Mizzu. Not even close.

Dooley only had to beat UK and Vandy to reach the bowl, Jones had to beat Vandy and a ranked team. Big difference.

Yes beating a ranked team miraculously trumps anything Dooley ever did. At least he didn't blow it by allowing 37 defenders to run out against LSU on the last play.

There are other ways to compare but those were not.