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[#JuanVol]

Butch would be taking a cut in pay....

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[Doyle Hargraves]

Wait, do y'all even like Coach Jones? I really can't tell.

It's got nothing to do with like.
It's about getting the job done.
Can he get it done? Maybe.
Should he be coach for life just because gosh darn it he's a swell guy? Hell no.

 

[OrangeDog]

Why would Butch want to go Penn State and coach in the shadows of Paterno and the Sandusky boy sex scandal anyway?

as opposed to being in the shadows of the Kiffin/Dooley sex scandal....

they screwed us!

 

[Oskie Volum]

Wait, do y'all even like Coach Jones? I really can't tell.

I personally LOVE UT and don't know CBJ personally to say I like or dislike the guy. Don't care really. He is hired to do a job so right now it makes no difference if I like him or not. Like him or not holding the guys feet to the fire to succeed on the field should still happen. Now the way it happens is still up for debate with this fan base.
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[Volosaurus rex]

Franklin is from Pennsylvania originally, so the Penn State position might naturally appeal to him. However, considering the reasons for Penn State's current probation, I would think that their administration would be reluctant to hire Franklin with that albatross of a rape scandal still hovering over his head.

Butch, on the other hand, is not a Michigan or Michigan State grad. He is a Ferris State University (Big Rapids, MI) grad, so I don't know how much appeal Spartan green or Michigan maize and blue would hold for him. He also may come to enjoy not having Michigan winters to contend with; I know that my mother did not miss Pennsylvania winters after moving to Tennessee.

 

[OrangeDog]

Did I hear that this is actually kiffin's new dream job?

 

[Rudy123]

5-7 under any circumstance deserves no raise or extension. If he flirts, and I don't think he will, I'd simply show him the door. And in this case, I wouldn't be saying anything bad about Jones.
CBJ has chosen to present himself a certain way. I'd like to think that this is genuine and not just some sales pitch. The way he has presented himself is that THIS is his dream job, he knew the struggle, and said, "I'm your man, and I aint leaving until the job is done." So, I'm taking him at his word.
So, hypothetically speaking, if he were to flirt with other jobs or attempt to milk a raise or extension, then he is not who he says he is. And in that case, UT would be better to cut ties now. Again, I don't think this is who CBJ is, and I doubt we have any drama as far as other jobs go.

Do you recall a few years ago, the A.D. at Boston College told the football coach to NOT interview for any job or he would be fired?

Well, with them on the verge of signing a recruiting class, the coach at B.C. did interview at N.C. State. He was fired the moment his plane arrived back in Boston.

He accepted the job and became N.C. State's new coach. During spring practice, Russell Wilson wanted to play baseball, but the coach say "NO"

So, Wilson played baseball then transferred to Wisconsin. The following season, N.C. State had a horrible season. Yep, you guess it, due to q.b. play...

So, yes, once the A.D. loses confidence in a coach, they should be fired!!!!!

 

[Oskie Volum]

as opposed to being in the shadows of the Kiffin/Dooley sex scandal....

they screwed us!

Yeah if u don't add Fulmer/Hammy/UT Administrators (recent past and present)/Big Boosters/Legion of the Misrable/Gruden/etc to that sex party u either have no clue what u r talking about, are really bias, or given the wrong room #. Just sayin...
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[jkleno]

Saban is worth every penny.

I don't think he deserves to be paid more than the majority (if not all) the NFL coaches. IMHO. Also, I think the years from now we will mark down the AU game as the end of Bama's run.

****I think last night's Bama performance made my argument even more credible. Now we see why Saban wasn't interested in the Texas job after all. 90% of the time I root for the SEC in bowl games, except for Bamer. I loved the close up of the Bamer fans- they looked like they were given enemas at halftime!

 

[Rudy123]

It's business. I like him and right now am optimistic about our future. I also can see that there have been some improvement since he took over the helm, but the most important factor to improve, the W/L column, hasn't improved and I'd be an idiot to pretend that's unimportant.

Jones has to make a bowl game next year or his seat could start warming up.

No bowl game for U.T. next season, my friend. Look at the schedule. Another 5 - 7 season. However; in 2015, we will go at least 9 - 3, in the regular season.....

 

[sjt18]

1) Jones didn't do an excellent job. A 5-7 record is not "excellent". It is subpar regardless of what else you do... which would include signing a class highly rated by recruiting websites. Jones has said himself that losing was unacceptable and that the record was unacceptable. After Oregon, he said losses like that one were unacceptable. So if you want to argue with someone... argue with Jones this time. I'm simply agreeing with him.

2) Jones said he considers UT a destination job. Unlike so many who purpose to "defend" him from criticism... I actually believe him when he says stuff. I suspect that if he can coach well enough to keep the job then he'll be at UT for a long time.

3) In spite of some honest criticism, I and folks like me are pulling for Jones just as much or more than is supposed defenders. I think in many ways he is the ideal coach for UT. His personality fits. His respect for the program, appreciation for the fans, love of the game, and personal stability ALL fit UT and the unique opportunity.

He is not perfect nor did he do an "excellent" job in his first year. But he does have some excellent traits and hopefully a great capacity for learning from mistakes. The thing I am most uncomfortable with him on is his staff selection. If he isn't great at that also... I hope he is great at realizing and dealing with coaches who aren't right for the job.

 

[cgbtn]

Coach Doug Matthews was on 104.5 this morning talking about expectations for coaches filling vacancies. He pointed out that Butch will be play 8 teams that were in bowls this year. All of those teams have programs that are pretty well built. I fear much of the love on here may turn to hate next year, if people can't realize what a hill Butch has to climb.

 

[Oskie Volum]

No, bUTch will not leave or even be interviewed by any major college until after he proves himself at U.T. However; after we win big in 2015, you can expect it to be difficult to hold on to him. Like maybe Michigan or Michigan State comes calling. He is from Michigan, you know.

Also, James Franklin will NOT go to Penn State! Vandy pays Franklin more money than O Brien got at Penn State, so Penn State would have to give up more money to him.

Also, Franklin wants to bring in his own coaches, but Penn State wants their recruiting co ordinator to remain on board. Larry Johnson Sr.

Penn State would have to get past the money issue and the retaining of their recruiting co ordinator before Franklin would go there.

Also, Penn State has the fired coach of Tampa Bay as #1 on their list to hire. Doudt an unemployed NFL coach will turn down the Penn State job.

Greg Schaino would be a good fit for them. He tried the NFL and got that out of his system. Like Saban. He had success up in that region at Rutgers. Sounds like a pretty good fit to be on the top of their list.
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[Gandalf]

Butch would be taking a cut in pay....

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Exactly - nobody is going to contact BJ for at least the next 2 years. He is just getting started into a program, is already the 4th highest paid coach in the country at a school with an incredible legacy, fantastic facilities and a (sometimes) great fanbase. There is no way he could leave after 1 year and not be considered Lane Kiffin 2.0 - not just here but everywhere else too, which would kill his recruiting efforts. Besides, he is talking as if he is born bleeding orange and you cant just coach speak that away without being widely perceived as a complete phony - a word which I have yet to hear ANYONE mention in the same sentence with Jones.

All ADs around the country are equally aware of the above so NO, they are not going to waste their time contacting him. Only thing Jones could legitimately leave for at this point would be if the NFL called and as was wisely pointed out earlier in this thread, at 5-7, I think we are pretty safe But even if a pro team called, I am not sure CBJ would have any real interest. Better to stay at TN and make a legacy (if he ultimately has what it takes to do so) than to take chances of a short timer in the NFL.

Now after 3rd year and we are competing for SEC east at least, he may well get some calls - though the size of his current paycheck is going to limit who wants to date him - but even then, I think CBJ is not going to be too interested. He presents himself as someone who at least wants to be a Bear Bryant/Joe Paterno type - if he can get it done.

 

[Rudy123]

I don't think he deserves to be paid more than the majority (if not all) the NFL coaches. IMHO. Also, I think the years from now we will mark down the AU game as the end of Bama's run.

Alabama will be back!!! It just isn't logical for anyone to think that they can lose several junior classes to early entry to the N.F.L. and not eventually have it take a toll on their performance on the field.

Saban has not been giving enough playing time to his sophomores and freshmen lately. Then when the seniors and juniors leave due to graduation of the NFL, he has no real experienced players returning.

You will see Saban start to give sophomores & freshmen more playing time....

 

[sjt18]

No bowl game for U.T. next season, my friend. Look at the schedule. Another 5 - 7 season. However; in 2015, we will go at least 9 - 3, in the regular season.....

This is the next test of whether this staff is the right one or not. The schedule and returning roster certainly put 5-7 as a reasonable guess IF what we saw from the staff so far is indicative of their ability to develop talent and coach it. IF however they are better than they've shown... as they must be if they ever hope to succeed at UT then UT should go bowling next year.

If he enters '15 with two consecutive 5-7 seasons and fails to win at least 8 regular season games being competitive in the rest then UT will need to cut its losses before the results start to hurt recruiting and put the program all the way back to what it was in 2009.

 

[KBVol]

I didn't even think about that. Good point. I agree with you, I don't think he would be looking for a bump in pay. Saban is the KING of getting raises based on other job offers. He is ridiculously paid anyway- Saban that is.

Saban is a bargain for Alabama

 

[Vol-in-Atlanta]

It is going to be a long offseason.

 

[lilesrt]

When did PSU contact CBJ? Man this sucks... Just what we need, another Head coach.

 

[fade route]

1) Jones didn't do an excellent job. A 5-7 record is not "excellent". It is subpar regardless of what else you do... which would include signing a class highly rated by recruiting websites. Jones has said himself that losing was unacceptable and that the record was unacceptable. After Oregon, he said losses like that one were unacceptable. So if you want to argue with someone... argue with Jones this time. I'm simply agreeing with him.

2) Jones said he considers UT a destination job. Unlike so many who purpose to "defend" him from criticism... I actually believe him when he says stuff. I suspect that if he can coach well enough to keep the job then he'll be at UT for a long time.

3) In spite of some honest criticism, I and folks like me are pulling for Jones just as much or more than is supposed defenders. I think in many ways he is the ideal coach for UT. His personality fits. His respect for the program, appreciation for the fans, love of the game, and personal stability ALL fit UT and the unique opportunity.

He is not perfect nor did he do an "excellent" job in his first year. But he does have some excellent traits and hopefully a great capacity for learning from mistakes. The thing I am most uncomfortable with him on is his staff selection. If he isn't great at that also... I hope he is great at realizing and dealing with coaches who aren't right for the job.

Agree with all of this. Trying to figure out why we have had arguments on CBJ in the past, because according to this post we are in total agreement.....:good!:

 

[sjt18]

Coach Doug Matthews was on 104.5 this morning talking about expectations for coaches filling vacancies. He pointed out that Butch will be play 8 teams that were in bowls this year. All of those teams have programs that are pretty well built. I fear much of the love on here may turn to hate next year, if people can't realize what a hill Butch has to climb.

Then UT should have kept Dooley? His first two schedules had 8 teams each that went to bowls. The one last year had 7. The 2009 schedule had 9 bowl eligible opponents. In 3 years, Dooley faced FOUR BCS championship game teams.

This isn't Cincinnati. You don't get 6 or 7 opponents a year with losing records plus an FCS school or two.

Playing tough schedules is pretty much part of what you sign up for when you become the UT HC.

The simple reality of situation is that if a guy can't win enough significant games to earn credibility in 3 or at the most 4 years at UT then they have to go. UT is too heavily dependent on out of state talent that will go to the hot coach for them to keep a coach who isn't "hot" but is rather on a hot seat.

 

[Kook]

When did PSU contact CBJ? Man this sucks... Just what we need, another Head coach.

El oh El

 

[Oskie Volum]

In no way do i think CBJ wouldn't leave UT in the future if certain schools come calling. This is one reason why I currently refuse to buy into his "dream job" stuff. So why he needs to succeed fast so at least he leaves us in a better place instead of us firing him for not doing well.

Now with that said...i know I get bashed for being a Dooley supporter but IMHO UT was Dooley's dream job. Yes he was born a dawg, but if he were able to get UT on top I don't think he would have left UT unless forced to. Not even if UGA came calling. I don't even think he would have used "leaving" to get more money like many others do at least as many times as others do. This is why I was willing to give the guy more time than others.

It's going to be tough for us to find coaches who truly find UT there final resting spot no matter who comes calling. This fan base is spoiled with the likes of Majors, Fulmer, and Chavis.
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[sjt18]

Agree with all of this. Trying to figure out why we have had arguments on CBJ in the past, because according to this post we are in total agreement.....:good!:

Just bickering over details and parsing everything a little too much I suspect. We probably conclude the same things but with differences in our reasons.

 

[sjt18]

I in no way do i think CBJ wouldn't leave UT in the future if certain schools come calling. This is one reason why I currently refuse to buy into his "dream job" stuff. So why he needs to succeed fast so at least he leaves us in a better place instead of us firing him for not doing well.

Now with that said...i know I get bashed for being a Dooley supporter but IMHO UT was Dooley's dream job. Yes he was born a dawg, but if he were able to get UT on top I don't think he would have left UT unless forced to. Not even if UGA came calling. I don't even think he would have used "leaving" to get more money like many others do at least as many times as others do. This is why I was willing to give the guy more time than others.

It's going to be tough for us to find coaches who truly find UT there final resting spot no matter who comes calling. This fan base is spoiled with the likes of Majors, Fulmer, and Chavis.
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I actually believe that Jones will stay if he is able to succeed at UT.

Oh... and your list isn't complete without Cutcliffe on top. He proved this year what some of us have suspected for awhile. He, not Chavis or Fulmer, was the key ingredient when UT was most successful.