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Rudy123 said:
Alabama will be back!!! It just isn't logical for anyone to think that they can lose several junior classes to early entry to the N.F.L. and not eventually have it take a toll on their performance on the field.

Saban has not been giving enough playing time to his sophomores and freshmen lately. Then when the seniors and juniors leave due to graduation of the NFL, he has no real experienced players returning.

You will see Saban start to give sophomores & freshmen more playing time....
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Where did Alabama go? They are #3 in the nation and will likely finish #2 this year. I think that 3 years down the road, when they lose 2 or more games, you will be able to point to 2013 AU game as the moment in time when Bama started their decline. Teams just can't stay #1 forever and their time is coming.
 
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No Way Jones is contacted for the PSU job. Too many other successful names that are likely to accept. I do think Butch plans to be here a long time and we need to be thankful for that.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Yeah if u don't add Fulmer/Hammy/UT Administrators (recent past and present)/Big Boosters/Legion of the Misrable/Gruden/etc to that sex party u either have no clue what u r talking about, are really bias, or given the wrong room #. Just sayin...
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Oh YEAH??!!??!!
 

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sjt18 said:
Just bickering over details and parsing everything a little too much I suspect. We probably conclude the same things but with differences in our reasons.
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I agree. I probably overstepped with "excellent" in describing CBJ. Of course, CBJ wouldn't come out and say he did a great job this year at 5-7 either.
 
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Penn State managed to coax O' Brien to leave the New England Patriots as OC to take over during the biggest sh-tstorm college football has seen in many years.

Butch Jones isn't in their top 20 so the OP has nothing to worry about.
 
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1. I, too, have wondered at times what might happen if the Michigan or Michigan State jobs ever came open. I know Jones was always a big NFL fan (Tampa Bay) as a kid, but you have to figure he probably rooted for one of them. State would likely be a lateral move at best, but Michigan, in the hands of the right man, is one of the biggest of big-boy jobs. If I ever get the chance, I'm going to ask him which one he cheered for.
2. Did Jones' Tennessee squad go 5-7 this year? Yes. Was I happy with it? Hell no. That being said, some of you guys are way out of touch with reality. You hire a coach based on his previous track record, not what you think he might do in the first year. It's called a body of work. Hart didn't hire Jones because he went 4-8 his first year at Cincy, he hired him because he turned that 4-8 unit into a team that won 10 games two years in a row. He's gonna need more than one year before the mouth breathers start calling for his head. Just look at his past record. The proof is there. Even Spurrier said so.
3. Previous case in point: Mike B's offense, with the exception of some incredibly clutch plays by Marquez North and Coach G's total reinvention of Raijon Neal, was the worst unit on Tennessee's team this year. Even the defense was better. Yet Bajakian and Azzanni were both mentioned for head coaching jobs this offseason. After a 5-7 season! Again, it's called a body of work.
4. Jones - 1. Spurrier - 0. This should speak for itself.
 
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sjt18 said:
I actually believe that Jones will stay if he is able to succeed at UT.

Oh... and your list isn't complete without Cutcliffe on top. He proved this year what some of us have suspected for awhile. He, not Chavis or Fulmer, was the key ingredient when UT was most successful.
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I would love to agree with u, but cant swallow that pill until he brings us back and people start calling. Then we can can revisit that. Dealio??? Ha!!

You know...I actually had Cut on the list, but deleted him b/c I was going more with UT Alums/former players that have a deep attachment to UT. So nothing can be more of a Dream Job. With Cut being a bammer and all. With that said IF CBJ left early I think Cut would most likely come back to UT if called upon (if not bama first), and retire or pushed out. If PM becomes a coach under Cut then I can get comfy again with not losing our coach. Ahhh one can only dream. Ha!!

I also was comfy with Chaney not leaving cause I don't feel like he cares to be a HC. So if we could have gotten a good DC to level out the stability our future could have been different. Again part of my mind set when it comes to not wanting Dooley out yet. Cause to me stability is key, and having coaches that will potentially leave is not good.

Just all imho of course...
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Notorious B.E.N said:
Most of us do, some of the unrealistic ones don't.
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So the blindly optimistic are "realistic" and honest critics are not?

BTW, many of those of us who are critical like him and want him to succeed. We're just not willing to call the stuff you pump out of a portajon ice cream.
 
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jkleno said:
CBJ has done an excellent job in his first year as UT coach, especially when you factor in the potential 2014 signing class. He seems very well respected throughout college football. With that being said, do you think Penn State's national search committee will reach out to CBJ? I have read that James Franklin is high on their list. I think CBJ would not interview even if contacted, but it might be even more positive national exposure if CBJ was contacted and turned down the interview. What do you guys think?
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Gruden is interested in the Penn State gig. Therefore, CBJ is the likely one to replace CJG on ESPN.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
2. Did Jones' Tennessee squad go 5-7 this year? Yes. Was I happy with it? Hell no. That being said, some of you guys are way out of touch with reality. You hire a coach based on his previous track record, not what you think he might do in the first year.
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His first year at UT is now part of his track record. It was a subpar performance and underachievement of the talent on the roster.

It's called a body of work.
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And it means absolutely NOTHING when a coach steps up into the SEC. The resume gets him the job... but only what happens after that counts toward keeping it.

Hart didn't hire Jones because he went 4-8 his first year at Cincy, he hired him because he turned that 4-8 unit into a team that won 10 games two years in a row. He's gonna need more than one year before the mouth breathers start calling for his head.
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The only mouth breathers here are those who keep throwing this red herring out. Who has called for his head after one year? Some of us have our eyes open and recognize that it was NOT a good start... that does not mean we are interested in making a final judgment before year 3.

Just look at his past record. The proof is there.
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No. If you look at the record you will find that he succeeded in two conferences with nowhere near the level of competition he will face in the SEC. The combined records of the teams he faced at Cincy was around 40% wins. He won't see that at UT.

3. Previous case in point: Mike B's offense, with the exception of some incredibly clutch plays by Marquez North and Coach G's total reinvention of Raijon Neal, was the worst unit on Tennessee's team this year. Even the defense was better. Yet Bajakian and Azzanni were both mentioned for head coaching jobs this offseason. After a 5-7 season!
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Mentioned... not called apparently. The O was not worse than the D. The D was the second worse scoring D (behind Sunseri's disaster) in at least 70 years. This was NOT the worst D talent UT has had during that period. It was the first time since the 1920's that UT was beaten by 4 opponents by a margin of 28+ pts.

Again, it's called a body of work.
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The only body of work that counts anymore is what they do and have done at UT.

Tell you what. Take a job that challenges your skill level then anytime anyone points to a failure or shortcoming... direct them back to the resume you used to get the job. That should work well for you.

4. Jones - 1. Spurrier - 0. This should speak for itself.
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It would if he had not lost to the worst UF team in decades, needed a last minute INT to beat USA, lost to Vandy, and lost 4 games by blowout. Against that backdrop... the win against Spurrier is the exception... not a rule.
 
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sjt18 said:
His first year at UT is now part of his track record. It was a subpar performance and underachievement of the talent on the roster.

And it means absolutely NOTHING when a coach steps up into the SEC. The resume gets him the job... but only what happens after that counts toward keeping it.

The only mouth breathers here are those who keep throwing this red herring out. Who has called for his head after one year? Some of us have our eyes open and recognize that it was NOT a good start... that does not mean we are interested in making a final judgment before year 3.

No. If you look at the record you will find that he succeeded in two conferences with nowhere near the level of competition he will face in the SEC. The combined records of the teams he faced at Cincy was around 40% wins. He won't see that at UT.

Mentioned... not called apparently. The O was not worse than the D. The D was the second worse scoring D (behind Sunseri's disaster) in at least 70 years. This was NOT the worst D talent UT has had during that period. It was the first time since the 1920's that UT was beaten by 4 opponents by a margin of 28+ pts.

The only body of work that counts anymore is what they do and have done at UT.

Tell you what. Take a job that challenges your skill level then anytime anyone points to a failure or shortcoming... direct them back to the resume you used to get the job. That should work well for you.



It would if he had not lost to the worst UF team in decades, needed a last minute INT to beat USA, lost to Vandy, and lost 4 games by blowout. Against that backdrop... the win against Spurrier is the exception... not a rule.
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Thanks for the laugh.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
Nah....wanna laugh?? I saw writers on a site (rhymes with Shmortsline.com) saying that Franklin was the leading candidate to take over the Cleveland Browns job.
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I saw that McDaniels was #1, if he was to leave NE. I think Brady runs that show. McDaniels track record is not great. I agree with you that Franklin is high on the list. How has Franklin gone from Wake to Vandy to the NFL???? I guess he has turned around Vandy in a short period of time, but that seems fast.
 
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Honestly if CBJ leaves we just need to go back to Fulmer and quit trying other places.
 
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I say Franklin ends up at Vandy without an job offer from PSU or Texas.
 
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Remember when folks here used to worry about Dooley going to Georgia? Oh, volnation, don't ever change.
 
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