Cecil The Lion

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barknoxbrawler said:
We need it to play out. Just because he was guilty once of lying to an agent doesn't mean he is guilty of illegal hunting now. I've heard the argument about the collar and he should have seen it. It is legal to bait lions in Zimbabwe, to shoot them with a bow and arrow from a blind, to kill them outside a national park in a private hunting area and to kill collared lions. So that is irrelevant.

I think people are only mad because it was a famous lion and not that it may or may not have been illegally taken.
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Agreed.
 
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Obsessed said:
You don't hunt, do you?
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No. What does that have to do with anything? I'm not talking about hunting and hunters and the culture as a whole, I'm talking about the next dentist that wants to go kill Mufasa.

Certain people will always hunt and have their mounts on proud display, but a lot of people will stop - at least with rare animals - and that was my point.
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
We need it to play out. Just because he was guilty once of lying to an agent doesn't mean he is guilty of illegal hunting now. I've heard the argument about the collar and he should have seen it. It is legal to bait lions in Zimbabwe, to shoot them with a bow and arrow from a blind, to kill them outside a national park in a private hunting area and to kill collared lions. So that is irrelevant.

I think people are only mad because it was a famous lion and not that it may or may not have been illegally taken.
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I can only speak for myself but letting the animal suffer for 40 hours with an arrow still in it, is what is most upsetting to me. When I have the proper time to invest in it, I hunt when I can. I would never hunt anyhring that I wasn't going to use as food nor would I ever take a shot where there was even a doubt in my mind that it wouldn't instantly end the animals life.
Add to it that, in my mind, it should be illegal to hunt lions. Their numbers, just in the past two decades have dropped anywhere from 30-50% and are likely to become extinct very soon if this trend continues.

Something can be completely legal and still be appalling.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No. What does that have to do with anything? I'm not talking about hunting and hunters and the culture as a whole, I'm talking about the next dentist that wants to go kill Mufasa.

Certain people will always hunt and have their mounts on proud display, but a lot of people will stop - at least with rare animals - and that was my point.
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No they won't.
 
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volfan_89 said:
I can only speak for myself but letting the animal suffer for 40 hours with an arrow still in it, is what is most upsetting to me. When I have the proper time to invest in it, I hunt when I can. I would never hunt anyhring that I wasn't going to use as food nor would I ever take a shot where there was even a doubt in my mind that it wouldn't instantly end the animals life.
Add to it that, in my mind, it should be illegal to hunt lions. Their numbers, just in the past two decades have dropped anywhere from 30-50% and are likely to become extinct very soon if this trend continues.

Something can be completely legal and still be appalling.
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Have you ever shot a bear with a bow?
 
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volfan_89 said:
I can only speak for myself but letting the animal suffer for 40 hours with an arrow still in it, is what is most upsetting to me. When I have the proper time to invest in it, I hunt when I can. I would never hunt anyhring that I wasn't going to use as food nor would I ever take a shot where there was even a doubt in my mind that it wouldn't instantly end the animals life.
Add to it that, in my mind, it should be illegal to hunt lions. Their numbers, just in the past two decades have dropped anywhere from 30-50% and are likely to become extinct very soon if this trend continues.

Something can be completely legal and still be appalling.
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I don't disagree with the latter. The former, missed shots happen even with famous big game hunters. You do not track a wounded lion immediately unless you know it was a bad non vital shot. A gut shot or hip shot non bone breaking lion will turn rogue extremely fast.
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
I don't disagree with the latter. The former, missed shots happen even with famous big game hunters. You do not track a wounded lion immediately unless you know it was a bad non vital shot. A gut shot or hip shot non bone breaking lion will turn rogue extremely fast.
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Much like a bear.

Hell a buck will kill you.

These critters are not like what you see in the movies or a zoo.
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
I don't disagree with the latter. The former, missed shots happen even with famous big game hunters. You do not track a wounded lion immediately unless you know it was a bad non vital shot. A gut shot or hip shot non bone breaking lion will turn rogue extremely fast.
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I understand missed shots happen, but to me I don't understand hunting something that could easily kill you with anything less than a gun.
Besides that, hunting lions should be illegal, at least in my opinion.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Nope, nor would I. I've never done any type of bear hunting to be honest and while I have no problem with it, to me you're asking for trouble hunting a bear with a bow.
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Then don't speak on something you don't understand. A wounded animal is the most dangerous thing in the world.

A black bear in the ozarks doesn't hold a candle to a freaking lion in the jungle.
 
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Hell better yet, why don't yall go down to the local stockyard and try to manhandle a 2,000 pound bull.


Post pics.
 
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Obsessed said:
Then don't speak on something you don't understand. A wounded animal is the most dangerous thing in the world.

A black bear in the ozarks doesn't hold a candle to a freaking lion in the jungle.
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Firstly, and honestly no offense to you, but don't tell me about what I can and cannot speak to. I was honest in saying I don't understand it.
Secondly, I know that wounded animals are very dangerous, even ones that otherwise wouldn't attack you. So why would any sane person increase the odds of wounding an animal? For the thrill of the hunt? So now you're telling me that your own jollies are more important than a markedly increased chance at a clean kill?
 
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Obsessed said:
Lol


You just won't see it on Facebook.

It's been going on for years and years. All the other "dentist" learned a lesson.
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You're an old-timer. You should know that's been said about a lot of things that are long gone. Social media is new and it's extremely disruptive to the old way of life.

I'm not saying it will go away. I am saying social pressures have a significant impact. We're talking about a country with 350 million people in it. Marginal changes can mean a lot on the net.
 
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Everyone, big game hunter or not, should read Peter Hathaway Capsticks books. I own them all.... Death in the long grass is an awesome read. It is stories of hunting the big 5 in Africa.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Firstly, and honestly no offense to you, but don't tell me about what I can and cannot speak to. I was honest in saying I don't understand it.
Secondly, I know that wounded animals are very dangerous, even ones that otherwise wouldn't attack you. So why would any sane person increase the odds of wounding an animal? For the thrill of the hunt? So now you're telling me that your own jollies are more important than a markedly increased chance at a clean kill?
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I'll ask again, have you ever bow hunted a bear, deer, or even a a damn squirrel?

In your response above, I know that you haven't. A bow is nothing like a high powered rifle.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're an old-timer. You should know that's been said about a lot of things that are long gone. Social media is new and it's extremely disruptive to the old way of life.

I'm not saying it will go away. I am saying social pressures have a significant impact. We're talking about a country with 350 million people in it. Marginal changes can mean a lot on the net.
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And I agree. It won't be on social media. It will stay with in the elite. The "dentist" learned s lesson.
 
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Obsessed said:
I'll ask again, have you ever bow hunted a bear, deer, or even a a damn squirrel?

In your response above, I know that you haven't. A bow is nothing like a high powered rifle.
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I haven't bow hunted, but I have looked into as for as deer hunting goes. The only reason why I haven't is cost and I don't have the space or time to properly practice.

I'm guessing it's something you have done. And as it's something I admittedly don't understand, please feel free to explain why you do choose to take more of a chance at just injuring a bear by bow hunting rather than increasing your odds of a clean kill by using a rifle.
 
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