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#276
#276
SmokeyFTW said:
So the Trojans will jump a 1 loss Mich/Ohio St and Tennessee and LSU because of a Conf championship with also having a loss?
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I think usc gets in if they run the table n win their conference championship over a loss Tennessee Michigan/Ohio state. Just my opinion tho, maybe I’m wrong but just to be safe I’d really like for them or tcu to lose lol
 
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#277
volfan_28 said:
Agreed. They are currently ranked behind 2-loss LSU (who we destroyed) but they’re going to somehow jump 1-loss Vols by winning a couple of games against 2-loss opponents? Riiiiight
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If USC ends the season 12-1, they will have a conference championship. Tennessee will be 11-1. Say Georgia beats LSU, you don’t think USC winning their conference and closing out the season with 3 straight top 25 wins would vault them over Tennessee, who plays South Carolina and Vanderbilt?
 
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#278
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My issue is that USC (until they move to the B1G) can only "bloom where they are planted" and win the games they have to schedule in their conference, just like LSU.

The PAC 10 is a Power 5 conference so a they're going to play a lot of PAC 10 opponents. The SEC is heavy with ranked opponents and the PAC 10 isn't.

By your metric, USC is always behind because they HAVE to schedule PAC 10 opponents and LSU is always at an advantage because they're in the SEC scheduling more higher ranked opponents.

That's EXACTLY what the committee is in place to do...... balance ranking what teams CAN do vs what they did do.

That's why TCU is ranked now. They've bloomed where they were planted.
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If USC was undefeated, they would be ranked ahead of us, just as TCU is. Their schedule is weak compared to others in the top 10. Another thing that just dawned on me. Why is 2 loss Bama ranked ahead of 1 loss Clemson? The only justification is resumè or the committee views them as the better team. That’s the case with LSU being ranked ahead of USC. I imagine the distance of USC and Bama isn’t that far off either in committee’s eyes. These things will take care of themselves. TCU would be massiv under dog to any team in top 8 most likely. But they are P5 and undefeated. The minute they lose, they drop hard. Why? Because they have a weak schedule and no quality opponent remaining on schedule.
 
#279
#279
How does the committee value conference championships when the 2 best teams in the conference won't be playing each other? The PAC-12 and BIG 12 did away with divisions so it'll be a true 1v2. The SEC and Big ten will not be.
 
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Reminder to folks: This time last week we were debating if #6 Oregon would leap us with a conference title and comparing our head-to-head matchups against GA. We all have opinions and some level of BVS. All we can do is take care of business and enjoy the ride.
 
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#283
SonOfGodVolforlife said:
If tcu wins out they’re in. If usc wins out, hate to say it guys but they’re in. I understand the thinking behind this, if the conference championships don’t matter then why do we have em? Ohio state and Michigan loser is out, so we need either tcu or usc to lose to guarantee us a spot.
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Conference titles don’t matter. You are obsessed with 1990s thinking that doesn’t matter anymore. Tennessee wins out they are 99% in
 
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iWishItWasTheWeekend said:
If USC ends the season 12-1, they will have a conference championship. Tennessee will be 11-1. Say Georgia beats LSU, you don’t think USC winning their conference and closing out the season with 3 straight top 25 wins would vault them over Tennessee, who plays South Carolina and Vanderbilt?
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quality of wins matter. UCLA, Notre Dame, and Oregon/Utah are not better collection of wins than Bama/LSU…. Add in the 1 loss being to #1 vs USC’s being to a potential #12-15 Utah if they lose this week to Oregon.
 
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vanillagorilla said:
How does the committee value conference championships when the 2 best teams in the conference won't be playing each other? The PAC-12 and BIG 12 did away with divisions so it'll be a true 1v2. The SEC and Big ten will not be.
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Yup. This can benefit us or hurt us. When we get in at 11-1, after watching GA beat the brakes off LSU in Atlanta, we are going to be very thankful we didn't have to play GA again for a CFP birth. Conversely, I could see Michigan beating OSU in the regular season, and then OSU beating them in the B10 Championship game if it were structured 1 v. 2
 
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#288
Rickyvol77 said:
Conference titles don’t matter. You are obsessed with 1990s thinking that doesn’t matter anymore. Tennessee wins out they are 99% in
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I’m not getting into a debate with you, nobody knows, hell the committee changes what matters each week.
If usc jumps us bc they win out it wouldn’t surprise me. The only guarantee we have is tcu or usc losing my good sir.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If USC was undefeated, they would be ranked ahead of us, just as TCU is. Their schedule is weak compared to others in the top 10. Another thing that just dawned on me. Why is 2 loss Bama ranked ahead of 1 loss Clemson? The only justification is resumè or the committee views them as the better team. That’s the case with LSU being ranked ahead of USC. I imagine the distance of USC and Bama isn’t that far off either in committee’s eyes. These things will take care of themselves. TCU would be massiv under dog to any team in top 8 most likely. But they are P5 and undefeated. The minute they lose, they drop hard. Why? Because they have a weak schedule and no quality opponent remaining on schedule.
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Your scenario of LSU jumping a one loss USC was my point.

The conferences aren't exactly balanced. The SEC has more highly ranked teams so SEC schools play more highly ranked opponents.

The committee is in place to NOT penalize a school because they are in a conference without a lot of highly ranked teams. A school like TCU can only do what it can do within conference limits.

USC simply COULDN'T schedule like LSU, nor could TCU. Their goal can only be to take care of what is in front of them. You'd have them miss out because they aren't in the SEC.
 
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#291
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
USC is saying exactly the same thing.

USC will have the same record as us AND a conference championship.

Assume GA and TCU take care of business, they're in. tOSU beats MI convincingly, they're in.

TN 11-1 no conference championship
USC 11-1 PAC 10 champion.


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Tennessee and I’m pretty sure rather easily in that scenario.

Tennessee didn’t lose to Colorado or whoever the hell USC plays…. That committee had Tennessee number one for a reason, and they lost a road game to the number one team. And has the best resume by several miles.
Nothing USC can do about this. Winning the pac ten doesn’t solve anything. Same as clemson.
Being the tallest midget doesn’t make you more deserving to be the in the “tall club” with Wilt Chamberlain, Shaq, Lou Alcindor, and Tree Rollins…
 
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#293
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Your scenario of LSU jumping a one loss USC was my point.

The conferences aren't exactly balanced. The SEC has more highly ranked teams so SEC schools play more highly ranked opponents.

The committee is in place to NOT penalize a school because they are in a conference without a lot of highly ranked teams. A school like TCU can only do what it can do within conference limits.

USC simply COULDN'T schedule like LSU, nor could TCU. Their goal can only be to take care of what is in front of them. You'd have them miss out because they aren't in the SEC.
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TCU scheduled Colorado, Tarleton, and SMU for nonconference games.

USC scheduled Rice and Fresno State with annual game vs ND.

If TCU loses a game and goes on to win conference, the “what about us” cries will be loud. If USC goes 12-1, the “what about our conference title” cries will be loud.

Their argument for weak non conference games is because they play a 9 game league schedule. I guess my comeback is why are leaving any doubt for committee to penalize you for your schedule if you think you’re playoff worthy. If you think you belong in the top 4, why not schedule a tougher non conference game with another P5 school?

These teams almost use 9 game schedule as crutch to cover up the fact they will likely have one more weak team on schedule
 
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#294
Hulavol said:
Tennessee and I’m pretty sure rather easily in that scenario.

Tennessee didn’t lose to Colorado or whoever the hell USC plays…. That committee had Tennessee number one for a reason, and they lost a road game to the number one team. And has the best resume by several miles.
Nothing USC can do about this. Winning the pac ten doesn’t solve anything. Same as clemson.
Being the tallest midget doesn’t make you more deserving to be the in the “tall club” with Wilt Chamberlain, Shaq, Lou Alcindor, and Tree Rollins…
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So you're saying that not being in the SEC is USC or Clemson's fault? The fact they HAVE to schedule lots of opponents in their conference.

You're essentially saying that SEC teams should get a boost because the SEC is just a better conference.

That's what the committee is in place to keep from happening...... conference bias.
 
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#295
JMSqb11 said:
TCU scheduled Colorado, Tarleton, and SMU for nonconference games.

USC scheduled Rice and Fresno State with annual game vs ND.

If TCU loses a game and goes on to win conference, the “what about us” cries will be loud. If USC goes 12-1, the “what about our conference title” cries will be loud.

Their argument for weak non conference games is because they play a 9 game league schedule. I guess my comeback is why are leaving any doubt for committee to penalize you for your schedule if you think you’re playoff worthy. If you think you belong in the top 4, why not schedule a tougher non conference game with another P5 school?

These teams almost use 9 game schedule as crutch to cover up the fact they will likely have one more weak team on schedule
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Wanna talk about who TN scheduled for OOC opponents too? Outside of Pitt......uh......
 
#296
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
USC is saying exactly the same thing.

USC will have the same record as us AND a conference championship.

Assume GA and TCU take care of business, they're in. tOSU beats MI convincingly, they're in.

TN 11-1 no conference championship
USC 11-1 PAC 10 champion.


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Look at the resumeès. Tennessee has better wins (Bama and LSU) and loss (#1 UGA)

Literally the only thing they have better is a 12th win. USC very well could go 12-1 with zero top ten wins… the winner of Oregon vs Utah is 12 vs 10. Not sure the winner is gonna leapfrog 1 loss Clemson or 2 loss Bama at 8 and 9
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Look at the resumeès. Tennessee has better wins (Bama and LSU) and loss (#1 UGA)

Literally the only thing they have better is a 12th win. USC very well could go 12-1 with zero top ten wins… the winner of Oregon vs Utah is 12 vs 10. Not sure the winner is gonna leapfrog 1 loss Clemson or 2 loss Bama at 8 and 9
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Out of curiosity, did you think that Tennessee controlled its own destiny before Oregon and UCLA **** the bed this past weekend? Or did your mind change because the Pac-12 weakened itself with two of their 1-loss teams losing this weekend?
 
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