CFP Show

[1989Vol]

I'm so pissed after watching that crap last night that my BP is still sky high this morning.

So now the committee is suggesting that a OSU loss to Michigan in their conference game would be better than "any other 1 loss team?"

Prepare yourselves, we're getting screwed.

 

[iWishItWasTheWeekend]

You were saying? Pac-12 is #2 and Big 12 #3. RealTimeRPI.com College Football/NCAAF - College Football Power Rankings and Analysis, A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

Both conferences, like the Big 10, also have 9 conference games which is another loss. These conferences should one up the SEC and ACC and go 7 conference games. At the end of the year, you would see multiple undefeated or 1 loss teams. They would displace the teams at the top of Cole Cubelic's table.

Exactly. It’s funny. Whenever the SEC has ranked teams with multiple losses, people always say “the conference cannibalizes itself because anyone can win on any given day” but when it’s any other conference, especially the Big 12 that plays every single team, the narrative is that they suck.

The Big 12 went 25-5 against out of conference opponents this year with 4 of those losses being Alabama, NC State, Liberty, and Pitt. The conference really suffered because Oklahoma had their first down season in years.

 

[JMSqb11]

I assume we can agree that "the 4 best" teams consistently will come from the SEC and B1G.... with Clemson or someone else sneaking in on occasion.

The system is as FUBARed as the BCS was, IMO, because the recruiting and talent of the SEC and B1G even with NIL and Jackson State or someone else getting a one off highly ranked kid..... the SEC and B1G are going to dominate.

That we might not get in because a TCU team that can't beat anyone in the top 10 goes undefeated IS absurd and just not good football. Still, the system is what it is and "deserving" is a good term.

As I see it, a team that does what it needs to do within it's little sphere of a Power 5 conference "deserves" to get in over a team in a strong conference that doesn't win the conference or play for the conference title even.

What else can a team in a lesser conference do to "deserve" a CFP place?

If I was ranking the "best teams", I would have a ranking not to different from last night's rankings. Call it bias, but I would have it like this:

1. UGA
2. OSU
3. Tennessee
4. Michigan
5. LSU
6. TCU or USC

And some of these teams know they are going to have weeks majority of schedule. USC and TCU for that matter can't control the 9 games they play per year and those are the conference games.

However, 25% of their schedule they do. I find it hard to believe they are now saying they are playoff worthy teams because of their records even with 1 loss. If you think you are a playoff worthy team 75% thru the season, you obviously would think you are playoff worthy when 0-0 to start the year. I find it comical that these teams are going to cry for a playoff spot with 12-1 record when their OOC consists of very weak teams. TCU basically had a cupcake OOC schedule and USC has ND. Would TCU have better claim to the "4 best" group if they had a P5 OOC game instead of Tarleton? Sure. Would USC have better legitimacy with an early OOC game instead of Fresno and Rice? Of course.


I am not slighting teams like TCU and USC for 75% of their schedule they have zero control over. But by going the cupcake route with the OOC portion of the schedule, they only have themselves to blame if it comes down to getting left out. I think I saw a stat last night USC has beaten no current AP ranked teams.... We are 80% of the way into the season..... Based on the CFP saying they value wins and quality and wins, USC is lucky to be at #7. Maybe the CFP is investing in them at that rank and looking to give them a chance to beat some ranked teams.

 

[JMSqb11]

Exactly. It’s funny. Whenever the SEC has ranked teams with multiple losses, people always say “the conference cannibalizes itself because anyone can win on any given day” but when it’s any other conference, especially the Big 12 that plays every single team, the narrative is that they suck.

The Big 12 went 25-5 against out of conference opponents this year with 4 of those losses being Alabama, NC State, Liberty, and Pitt. The conference really suffered because Oklahoma had their first down season in years.

Are you saying that the likes of TCU should get a pass for scheduling SMU, Tarleton, and Colorado just because they played a 9 game schedule?

 

[Volbrando]

we have ONLY lost to the #1 ranked team in the county. I don't care when we played who. NO ONE has or could have a better 1 loss resume than us... period... yet we'll probably get screwed.

 

[youre no daisy]

just keep winning,the committee claims the #1 job is to put the 4 BEST teams in , i dont see 4 better tems than we are,however i do see the ways we can get screwed and left out !!!!!!!!!!! with that being said i know this for sure ,if we are left out we will be the poster child for why the playoff expansion had to happen,,,

 

[hUTch2002]

Sure, but the conversation was based on IF usc somehow closes the season with 3 ranked wins and finishes as a 1 loss conference champion, not the current standings. In that scenario, I think usc would 100% be in the conversation to take one of the playoff spots.

In the conversation? Sure. But USC currently has 0 top 25 wins (at the time of playing) while we have 5 and TCU has 5. Yes USC would close the gap by getting to 3 but they would be behind us in top 25, behind us in top 10 BY FAR as we’re 2-1 vs top 10 while they might be 1-0, and their loss was at Utah while ours was at UGA. Our resume is too strong to overcome with a conference championship in my opinion. But no doubt USC would be in the mix and I could certainly be wrong. The odds of USC jumping us would be 20% and that’s being generous. However, the odds of USC running the table is under 10%. They’ve literally beaten no one. The only decent team they played beat them.

 

[hUTch2002]

So you're saying that not being in the SEC is USC or Clemson's fault? The fact they HAVE to schedule lots of opponents in their conference.

You're essentially saying that SEC teams should get a boost because the SEC is just a better conference.

That's what the committee is in place to keep from happening...... conference bias.

That’s why someone like USC needs to schedule well in non-conference and the reality is they have a thinner margin for error because the Pac12 isn’t as good as the SEC. It’s not conference bias, it’s simply looking at who has the better resume.

 

[bpalmer28]

If USC ends the season 12-1, they will have a conference championship. Tennessee will be 11-1. Say Georgia beats LSU, you don’t think USC winning their conference and closing out the season with 3 straight top 25 wins would vault them over Tennessee, who plays South Carolina and Vanderbilt?

A conference championship from a conference that the committee knows we would dominate because the SEC has proven it in the field this season. I just don’t think it’s as simple as “conference championship is the trump card” but maybe I’m wrong

 

[hUTch2002]

You were saying? Pac-12 is #2 and Big 12 #3. RealTimeRPI.com College Football/NCAAF - College Football Power Rankings and Analysis, A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

Both conferences, like the Big 10, also have 9 conference games which is another loss. These conferences should one up the SEC and ACC and go 7 conference games. At the end of the year, you would see multiple undefeated or 1 loss teams. They would displace the teams at the top of Cole Cubelic's table.

Hey, the Pac12 has come a long way and the Big10 is down this year but the SEC is considerable better than the Pac12 still. UF beat Utah, Miss St smoked AZ State and of course UGA killed Oregon. The distance between 1 and 2 in conference RPI is massive.

 

[hUTch2002]

Only 2 out of 32 teams selected to the college football playoff didn’t play in their conference championship.

I assume those 2 were both Bama. I forget which years that happened but in those years did any P5 Champion with 1 loss get left out? That would be interesting to know.

 

[Delmar]

Dude there is literally no way 3 SEc teams make the playoffs. Just stop.

Yeah, the committee would never let that happen. Can you imagine the uproar if they did that?

 

[rltw1974]

No one was to Ohio St in 2016 i believe. They lost to Penn St and Penn went on to win the BIG10 butr was left out with two losses and Ohio made the playoffs.

I assume those 2 were both Bama. I forget which years that happened but in those years did any P5 Champion with 1 loss get left out? That would be interesting to know.

 

[tn4elvis]

Yeah, the committee would never let that happen. Can you imagine the uproar if they did that?

That’s why we need a 12 team playoff. I a for shortening the regular season and doing away with conference championship games. Pick the best 12 and let’s play ball.

 

[zuluvol]

ESPN - "blowout loss"?

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

I'm so pissed after watching that crap last night that my BP is still sky high this morning.

So now the committee is suggesting that a OSU loss to Michigan in their conference game would be better than "any other 1 loss team?"

Prepare yourselves, we're getting screwed.

Have you seen Michigan play? OSU is bad, but they're not losing to Michigan.

 

[JMSqb11]

No one was to Ohio St in 2016 i believe. They lost to Penn St and Penn went on to win the BIG10 butr was left out with two losses and Ohio made the playoffs.

Penn State and LSU this year are no similar. Penn State had one big win over OSU and then the conference title game as #7 vs #6.....

LSU would have a closing stretch with 2 Top 10 Wins (CFP Bama #7 / AP #7 Ole Miss - Pre CFP debut) with a game vs #1 Georgia.

PSU got left out because the quality of wins and number of wins was very small...... LSU has to win out and i don't think they will, but the resumê would have as an 11-2 team this year would blow PSU's 11-2 out of the water

 

[CBR07]

50 percent of the top 8 are SEC teams.

 

[Delmar]

Lol clueless. The committee is going to pick the 4 teams that seem best and will drive tv ratings

I would like to think that’s the case Ricky but Cincinnati was not one of the best 4 last year and doesn’t move the TV needle a notch and they got in. Sad to say but politics does come into play in these choices. And SEC fatigue is a real thing whether folks want to believe that or not. I think we sit in a good spot but I think one or two things still need to happen for us to be assured of a spot. Crazy things happen when opinion and bias enter the picture. If there are 4 P5 conference champions that win out from here, I think we have problem. JMO though and lots of football still to be played.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Exactly. It’s funny. Whenever the SEC has ranked teams with multiple losses, people always say “the conference cannibalizes itself because anyone can win on any given day” but when it’s any other conference, especially the Big 12 that plays every single team, the narrative is that they suck.

The Big 12 went 25-5 against out of conference opponents this year with 4 of those losses being Alabama, NC State, Liberty, and Pitt. The conference really suffered because Oklahoma had their first down season in years.

Big xii troll alert. Lol 20 posts. Your conference is a midmajor conference played in front of small crowds on third rate TV

 

[JMSqb11]

If LSU at 11-2 is a threat to jump Tennessee because they win the SEC, that means the head to head don't matter.

If head to head don't matter, why is Tennessee not jumping Georgia then? LSU jumping Tennessee means Tennessee would have wins against a Top 4 and Top 8 team in the final rankings with LSU and Bama.

Georgia would have a Top 5 Tennessee and maybe Top 15 Oregon......

If you think LSU at 11-2 is a foregone conclusion to jump Tennessee, you are saying Head to Heads don't matter. So then Tennessee would get in over Georgia.

 

[SouthKnoxVol70]

Yeah clearly that’s what everyone is thinking. We should all just listen to you and forget watching

I must have hurt your feelings .

 

[bigorangecrush89]

I’m getting more and more convinced by the day UT is getting screwed.

 

[PA Vol]

We are the only team in America with wins against two top-10 Playoff ranked teams and our only loss was by 14, on the road, to the #1 team and current defending national champion.

Literally there's nothing else that needs to be said. If we miss the playoff it's because they want to keep us out and nothing else. Not fairness. Not "the best teams". They just don't want us, or maybe a second SEC team in general, to be in it.

Keeping us out with two top-10 playoff teams in favor of TCU, USC, or a one loss Big10 team just proves that even these rankings, their own, just do not in any way matter in the end.

 

[iWishItWasTheWeekend]

Big xii troll alert. Lol 20 posts. Your conference is a midmajor conference played in front of small crowds on third rate TV

Hardly. I’m a Penn State alum who is trying to look at this with an unbiased eye.

Do I think Tennessee is one of the best 4 teams in country? I do.

Do I think Tennessee needs help to get into the college football playoff if they win out and does not control their own destiny? I do.