Charges Dropped in the Jussie Smollett Case

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Orangeburst65 said:
Heck even this morning!
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That amazed me about my dad and his Parkinson’s he couldn’t remember us having a conversation that morning but could sit down and tell me about his bird dog “ Susie “ he had when he was 12 and all the things they did .
 
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Pictured: Recused prosecutor Kim Foxx poses with Jesse Jackson during Jussie Smollett probe, weeks before he quietly completed community service at Jackson's charity and had all charges dropped after being offered 'council' by the civil rights hero

Jussie Smollett's 'voluntary' community service at Jesse Jackson's civil rights foundation which led to him having all the charges against him dropped came about after the civil rights hero got in touch to offer him 'council'.
There are abundant questions surrounding how Smollett was able to walk away from 16 felony charges with no criminal record, after paying just $10,000 and spending 16 hours performing community service at Rainbow PUSH, Jackson's civil rights organization, after months of scrutiny over the case.

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Kim Foxx, the Cook County State's Attorney who recused herself over the Jussie Smollett probe, is pictured with Jesse Jackson on February 28. Jackson has revealed he contacted Smollett when he was 'in crisis' and offered him his 'council'. On Saturday and Monday, Smollett spent two days at Jackson's civil rights organization and it was that community service which led prosecutors to suddenly drop the charges against him

Pictured: Recused prosecutor Kim Foxx with Jesse Jackson during Jussie Smollett probe | Daily Mail Online
 
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VolStrom said:
Hey, raise that age a bit! I'm over 60 and have probably written 10 checks in the last 5 years and all of them were for big ticket items or service work on my house.
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you know i just realized I wrote a check for $25000 for a vehicle pay off last year...oops...only 39..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
you know i just realized I wrote a check for $25000 for a vehicle pay off last year...oops...only 39..
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If I knew you were behind me in the grocery store I would probably opt for my checkbook to pay, but only after being presented with the bill. Then I'd have to dig through my pockets to find said book, then claim I had to go out to my car to retrieve said checkbook. After returning an hour later I'd act confused and want to know why the amount was so high. Bless my heart!
 
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n_huffhines said:
Before I go on this tangent, let's establish that the answer to this question has no bearing on whether or not it would be racial injustice.

Before acting on anything, I would first need to know why it is happening. Under no circumstances would the answer be "not prosecute corporate fraud" or "target _______ more".
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In the case of corporate fraud, you'd end up arresting more white men because there are more white men committing corporate fraud generally, and more white men committing corporate fraud in a way that it is easier to detect than other types of corporate fraud.

Look at weed use among young black people and young white people. The percentage use is similar, but how it is obtained and used is different. Statistically speaking, white people are more likely to obtain and use weed in lower-crime areas generally with less police presence. White people use edibles more - no smell wafting through the neighborhood - and if they're smoking it they're more likely to be inside. They might buy it from a dude at work or a college/high school buddy at a "good school" in a good part of town.

If you obtain your weed in a bad part of town (where cops are roaming around anyway), on the street in broad daylight, and then smoke it outside on a stoop, you're just more likely to get caught. There have been studies conducted that minority communities also call the police more often - these are minorities in the community complaining about other minorities - about marijuana. In a nice apartment building if you smell pot, you might call your landlord to complain. In public housing if you smell pot, you call the police to complain.
 
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VolStrom said:
If I knew you were behind me in the grocery store I would probably opt for my checkbook to pay, but only after being presented with the bill. Then I'd have to dig through my pockets to find said book, then claim I had to go out to my car to retrieve said checkbook. After returning an hour later I'd act confused and want to know why the amount was so high. Bless my heart!
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You're that guy!
 
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05_never_again said:
In the case of corporate fraud, you'd end up arresting more white men because there are more white men committing corporate fraud generally, and more white men committing corporate fraud in a way that it is easier to detect than other types of corporate fraud.

Look at weed use among young black people and young white people. The percentage use is similar, but how it is obtained and used is different. Statistically speaking, white people are more likely to obtain and use weed in lower-crime areas generally with less police presence. White people use edibles more - no smell wafting through the neighborhood - and if they're smoking it they're more likely to be inside. They might buy it from a dude at work or a college/high school buddy at a "good school" in a good part of town.

If you obtain your weed in a bad part of town (where cops are roaming around anyway), on the street in broad daylight, and then smoke it outside on a stoop, you're just more likely to get caught. There have been studies conducted that minority communities also call the police more often - these are minorities in the community complaining about other minorities - about marijuana. In a nice apartment building if you smell pot, you might call your landlord to complain. In public housing if you smell pot, you call the police to complain.
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OK, but none of this makes it racially equitable. It shouldn't be a crime to smoke pot in the first place. The reasons it is enforced more against one race do not matter to the question of whether or not the law creates racial injustice. "If I lived in a white neighborhood, I wouldn't be in jail" would be a valid thought backed by statistics. The reasons why there is racial injustice do not matter to the person who is in jail for a victimless crime.
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, but none of this makes it racially equitable. It shouldn't be a crime to smoke pot in the first place. The reasons it is enforced more against one race do not matter to the question of whether or not the law creates racial injustice. "If I lived in a white neighborhood, I wouldn't be in jail" would be a valid thought backed by statistics. The reasons why there is racial injustice do not matter to the person who is in jail for a victimless crime.
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People who commit crimes in a fashion that makes them more detectable than others committing the same crime are going to get caught more often. It's a pretty simple concept. It just so happens that with pot, that falls along racial lines. It isn't so much a racial thing as a "committing the crime in a more obvious way" thing.
 
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05_never_again said:
People who commit crimes in a fashion that makes them more detectable than others committing the same crime are going to get caught more often. It's a pretty simple concept. It just so happens that with pot, that falls along racial lines. It isn't so much a racial thing as a "committing the crime in a more obvious way" thing.
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Earth to Meekus...
 
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n_huffhines said:
Earth to Meekus...
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Cute. You have a really unique way of agreeing with somebody 98% of the way on a topic, then running the 2% difference into the ground as if you're on the totally opposite end of the spectrum as they are. I've noticed that's really common with libertarians, of which I am one. You don't actually disagree with people here as much as you think you do.
 
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05_never_again said:
Cute. You have a really unique way of agreeing with somebody 98% of the way on a topic, then running the 2% difference into the ground as if you're on the totally opposite end of the spectrum as they are. I've noticed that's really common with libertarians, of which I am one. You don't actually disagree with people here as much as you think you do.
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My point was always that the WOD produces racially unjust results. That was 100% my point from the start. That was the topic. We don't agree on that because you care about intent and I care about results. We don't agree anywhere close to 98% on this topic. It's a fundamental disagreement. We agree that that the intent of the WOD is not racial, but it is not relevant to the original point because I'm talking about the results of the WOD.
 
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n_huffhines said:
My point was always that the WOD produces racially unjust results. That was 100% my point from the start. That was the topic. We don't agree on that because you care about intent and I care about results. We don't agree anywhere close to 98% on this topic. It's a fundamental disagreement. We agree that that the intent of the WOD is not racial, but it is not relevant to the original point because I'm talking about the results of the WOD.
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Dude, we agree totally on that. Did you not read what I said earlier about sentencing? The WOD is a disgrace and pot should be legal. Enough said.

This is my point. You pick nits, usually about semantics or something really specific or technical, and call them "fundamental disagreements." If I fundamentally disagreed with you, I'd be calling for the continued illegality of pot and ramping of the WOD.

Lines of argumentation like this are what drive people away from libertarian ideas that a lot of people actually agree with.
 
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VolStrom said:
If I knew you were behind me in the grocery store I would probably opt for my checkbook to pay, but only after being presented with the bill. Then I'd have to dig through my pockets to find said book, then claim I had to go out to my car to retrieve said checkbook. After returning an hour later I'd act confused and want to know why the amount was so high. Bless my heart!
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Wouldnt phase me. Here in Atlanta I am used to seeing not only that but people buying some cat food and gum and having "their" debit cards declined..like a lot..Odd place this part of Georgia..its almost like there are a lot of people with bad credit and even worse checking accounts..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Wouldnt phase me. Here in Atlanta I am used to seeing not only that but people buying some cat food and gum and having "their" debit cards declined..like a lot..Odd place this part of Georgia..its almost like there are a lot of people with bad credit and even worse checking accounts..
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When did you leave Orlando?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Last October. I'll probably try to go back down there in a few years if I can take over the airport for the FAA.
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Dammit man, I’ve got a few connections up there if you catch my drift, are you close to Stone Mountain by any chance?
 
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