bleedingTNorange
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Maybe my memory is a bit off since I got to enjoy 4 years of Lofton making amazing long distance shots like the one over Durant. Chaz is larger and appears more athletic than Lofton so his 3’s don’t seem as challenged maybe? Both great shooters for sure. If my life depended on someone making a guarded 3 pointer, I’d want Lofton taking the shot. JMOFeels like Lanier hits a lot of contested/guarded shots also, it’s just quick trigger where as Lofton had the lean back.
Numbers don’t lie, but to me Lofton’s ability to hit heavily guarded 3’s still makes his long range shooting more impressive to me. JMO
That’s probably fair, I also recall Lofton being great at contested 3’s, but strangely not that great on wide open 3’s, not that he got a bunch. Conversely when Lanier is open that feels like a layup, where as when he’s closely contested those are a smaller %Maybe my memory is a bit off since I got to enjoy 4 years of Lofton making amazing long distance shots like the one over Durant. Chaz is larger and appears more athletic than Lofton so his 3’s don’t seem as challenged maybe? Both great shooters for sure. If my life depended on someone making a guarded 3 pointer, I’d want Lofton taking the shot. JMO
Currently 42.6% for Lanier, Lofton finished at 38.4% that season.@bleedingTNorange can we include 3PA for Lanier/Lofton too? Curious how their %s compare
Wait a minute. We're comparing Lanier to the season Lofton was undergoing cancer treatments? That hardly seems fair.Currently 42.6% for Lanier, Lofton finished at 38.4% that season.
Well that’s the year he set the single season record for 3 point shots made, which was the stat being discussed, did you want me to attach that stat to a different year arbitrarily?Wait a minute. We're comparing Lanier to the season Lofton was undergoing cancer treatments? That hardly seems fair.
Coming into that year, Chris was 43.8% career on 3s and 54.7% on 2s. His senior season, his shot looked wrong. I kept saying he looked leg-tired. When we found out about the treatments it all made sense.
Lanier is 42.6% on 3s and 40.3% on 2s.
That’s literally not the year he set the record, I’m sorry that bothers you. Go look at UT record books, Lofton 2007-2008 is what sits at the top for 3pt made in a single season. Not sure they even include the stat of 3pt made/game in their record books, but if so you’re welcome to start a thread on that stat, once again, that stat being discussed was the all time record for 3pt made in a single season.Arbitrarily? No. But, if you want the discussion to have any meaning... yes. The year when he had the most 3s per game, and wasn't undergoing cancer treatments, would be the comparison.
Maybe you should review Lofton's stats before attempting this discussion. He had his best year in terms of number of 3s made...set the school record, in fact...his senior year, which happened to be the year he was battling cancer. Those two facts are entirely independent, and for the purpose of this particular discussion and comparison, his cancer diagnosis is merely coincidental, if not altogether irrelevant.Arbitrarily? No. But, if you want the discussion to have any meaning... yes. The year when he had the most 3s per game, and wasn't undergoing cancer treatments, would be the comparison.
First off, it makes for a nearly useless comparison. He was clearly not the same player that year. He'd get his shot and come up short time and time again. Watching him, I thought he was battling through some undisclosed injury. Most players wouldn't have played at all.Maybe you should review Lofton's stats before attempting this discussion. He had his best year in terms of number of 3s made...set the school record, in fact...his senior year, which happened to be the year he was battling cancer. Those two facts are entirely independent, and for the purpose of this particular discussion and comparison, his cancer diagnosis is merely coincidental, if not altogether irrelevant.
So why do you want to use a year when he hit less 3s as a point of comparison just because it was also a year he wasn't battling cancer? Make it make sense.
First paragraph, it seems like your emotional fondness for Lofton probably lends to your defense of him.First off, it makes for a nearly useless comparison. He was clearly not the same player that year. He'd get his shot and come up short time and time again. Watching him, I thought he was battling through some undisclosed injury. Most players wouldn't have played at all.
Secondly, he only hit more 3s because he played 6 more games. Bulk totals in general tend to be less meaningful than per game averages, especially when comparing two players. Which is why I said a proper comparison should be the season he set our record for 3s per game rather than bulk numbers.
I realize the initial post you replied to had a percentage attached to it, but it was specially because a poster asked BTO about the percentage for that year. The original thread was about Chaz being on pace to break the all time record, not sure how it is relevant to discuss the number of 3s made in a year that isn’t what the record was set in. He may have played more games that year, but it’s still the year the record was set. Again the percentage was only brought up by a specific question. However, the thread was about the chase for the record which is going to pretty much center on the year the record was set.First off, it makes for a nearly useless comparison. He was clearly not the same player that year. He'd get his shot and come up short time and time again. Watching him, I thought he was battling through some undisclosed injury. Most players wouldn't have played at all.
Secondly, he only hit more 3s because he played 6 more games. Bulk totals in general tend to be less meaningful than per game averages, especially when comparing two players. Which is why I said a proper comparison should be the season he set our record for 3s per game rather than bulk numbers.
Actually, I mentioned makes per game previously; which implies the extra games, since you can't have more makes per game but fewer makes without a difference in number of games. Basic math.First paragraph, it seems like your emotional fondness for Lofton probably lends to your defense of him.
Second paragraph, fair enough, I suppose. You never mentioned the extra 6 games before, though. You just kept pushing the cancer diagnosis agenda which made it appear like an emotional appeal rather than a statistical disagreement.
In any case, Chaz is right on pace with Lofton in that regard, as well. Lofton finished at 3.8 made 3s per game his sophomore year. Lanier is at 3.63 made 3s per game thru 19 games, which has him three makes behind Lofton's pace.
I get it. Not something I'm actually interested in, so I should have stayed out.I realize the initial post you replied to had a percentage attached to it, but it was specially because a poster asked BTO about the percentage for that year. The original thread was about Chaz being on pace to break the all time record, not sure how it is relevant to discuss the number of 3s made in a year that isn’t what the record was set in. He may have played more games that year, but it’s still the year the record was set. Again the percentage was only brought up by a specific question. However, the thread was about the chase for the record which is going to pretty much center on the year the record was set.
I'm inferring that it's due to increased attempts (except soph to jr) & greater attention from opposing teams most likely and maybe increased psychological pressure (but only CL knows that). No way to isolate all the variables but he didn't appear to lose any of his mechanics as he progressed.Lofton's 3P% went down every year. Almost linear (about 3% every year)
he’s already shooting it when he catches itChaz's release speed makes his 3s nearly unguardable when he's taking them off screens or catch & release. From catch to release they showed him getting them up at 0.3 of a second...the NBA average was stated to be closer to 0.7
That extra nearly half second turns a contested shot into a clean one pretty quick. And because he's so fast with it I've seen his defenders not even attempt a hand up if they're trailing.