Chaz Lanier watch thread

#77
#77
Pretty consistent trend we're seeing with Lanier. He's good against lesser competion/weaker defensive teams. Not so much against decent defending teams.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
Pretty consistent trend we're seeing with Lanier. He's good against lesser competion/weaker defensive teams. Not so much against decent defending teams.
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Since SEC play started he's been getting blanketed when he gets the ball. At one point tonight I seen 3 guys on him.
Until other guy's on the team consistently take advantage of the double team it will continue to happen, too.
 
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Has to be willing to get downhill and go all the way to the basket when shots aren’t falling. Not his natural tendency but has to figure out that teams are running him off the 3 point line and are taking away open jumpers in general. Has to show he can finish at the rim in order to get open jumpers against better competition.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Since SEC play started he's been getting blanketed when he gets the ball. At one point tonight I seen 3 guys on him.
Until other guy's on the team consistently take advantage of the double team it will continue to happen, too.
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SEC defenses are scouting him and adjusting, but he’s missing the same open looks he was money on until the Florida game. It obvious that Barnes still wants him taking those shots. Have to believe they will start falling again.
 
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The troubling thing with Lanier struggling to score is that he doesn't really bring anything else to the floor. He's an OK rebounder, but he has 1 assist in SEC play, 4 stls and 6 TOs. He's not a good ball-handler, and his defense is more of a liability than an asset.

Regardless, 18-63 (28.5%) won't cut it if you don't affect other areas of the game. Slumps happen, but he's got to snap out of it. We fortunately had guys like Z and Gainey step up in the second half, plus well-rounded offensive performances from guys like Phillips, Miličić, and Mashack. That helps hide Chaz's poor shooting when everyone chips in. The first half, when no one was scoring, Lanier's struggles were far more noticeable.
 
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walkenvol said:
SEC defenses are scouting him and adjusting, but he’s missing the same open looks he was money on until the Florida game. It obvious that Barnes still wants him taking those shots. Have to believe they will start falling again.
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He's still capable of making those shots because he is Chaz Lanier and has a super fast pull up and release. I'm like you, I believe they'll start falling soon.
If we can ever make them pay for the double team tho, they'll have to stop trapping him as soon as he gets the ball. Have to believe that would make it easier for him to get going/in a rhythm.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The troubling thing with Lanier struggling to score is that he doesn't really bring anything else to the floor. He's an OK rebounder, but he has 1 assist in SEC play, 4 stls and 6 TOs. He's not a good ball-handler, and his defense is more of a liability than an asset.

Regardless, 18-63 (28.5%) won't cut it if you don't affect other areas of the game. Slumps happen, but he's got to snap out of it. We fortunately had guys like Z and Gainey step up in the second half, plus well-rounded offensive performances from guys like Phillips, Miličić, and Mashack. That helps hide Chaz's poor shooting when everyone chips in. The first half, when no one was scoring, Lanier's struggles were far more noticeable.
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I’ve been pleasantly surprised by Lanier’s all around game since he was brought here to shoot the ball. He’s no Mashack on D but he’s not a liability IMO. Barnes has made it clear that his role is to shoot, not facilitate so the assist number can’t be held against him. This is all just my opinion - not all will have the same.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The troubling thing with Lanier struggling to score is that he doesn't really bring anything else to the floor. He's an OK rebounder, but he has 1 assist in SEC play, 4 stls and 6 TOs. He's not a good ball-handler, and his defense is more of a liability than an asset.

Regardless, 18-63 (28.5%) won't cut it if you don't affect other areas of the game. Slumps happen, but he's got to snap out of it. We fortunately had guys like Z and Gainey step up in the second half, plus well-rounded offensive performances from guys like Phillips, Miličić, and Mashack. That helps hide Chaz's poor shooting when everyone chips in. The first half, when no one was scoring, Lanier's struggles were far more noticeable.
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I agree with most of what you said, but I actually think Chaz has been a perfectly fine defender. His defense is not nearly as noticeable as DK’s lack of it last year. Is he elite? Certainly not. But he’s fine. I wholeheartedly agree he has to score in order for this team to succeed though. Hopefully this is simply an extended slump and not a trend now that defenses have figured him out.
 
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walkenvol said:
I’ve been pleasantly surprised by Lanier’s all around game since he was brought here to shoot the ball. He’s no Mashack on D but he’s not a liability IMO. Barnes has made it clear that his role is to shoot, not facilitate so the assist number can’t be held against him. This is all just my opinion - not all will have the same.
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I had that typed out in the last post and deleted it because it got wordy. I agree, I don't think he needs to be averaging 4 assts a game, or anything, but if he can draw those defenders, and many times double teams, then it would help if he could get someone else involved. That's all I meant by pointing out the lone assist across four games.

And I wouldn't call his defense atrocious by any means, but his defensive box plus/minus is worst on the team, fwiw.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I agree with most of what you said, but I actually think Chaz has been a perfectly fine defender. His defense is not nearly as noticeable as DK’s lack of it last year. Is he elite? Certainly not. But he’s fine. I wholeheartedly agree he has to score in order for this team to succeed though. Hopefully this is simply an extended slump and not a trend now that defenses have figured him out.
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See my response to Walken
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Since SEC play started he's been getting blanketed when he gets the ball. At one point tonight I seen 3 guys on him.
Until other guy's on the team consistently take advantage of the double team it will continue to happen, too.
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very good point. But he's still taking the same amount of shots he was before. He's just not making a good percentage. I sure hope he breaks out of it mentally, because after watching last night I think that's where he is. He actually had several open, not as contested shots that didn't fall. He can actually get the 15 foot shot just about any time he wants, he's just not knocking it down consistently. I think once he starts hitting that shot it'll open a lot of other things up for him.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
very good point. But he's still taking the same amount of shots he was before. He's just not making a good percentage. I sure hope he breaks out of it mentally, because after watching last night I think that's where he is. He actually had several open, not as contested shots that didn't fall. He can actually get the 15 foot shot just about any time he wants, he's just not knocking it down consistently. I think once he starts hitting that shot it'll open a lot of other things up for him.
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It's a slump
 
#98
#98
VolArmy74 said:
Knecht had a stretch last year where he was 12-37 over 5 games and he only scored 36 points on those 37 shots. Then he went 10-18 vs Missouri and it kicked off a stretch where he scored 28, 36, 39, 25, 32, 31. Shooters can run hot and cold. Even the best of them.
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1. It was 38 points
2. That stretch was when he was working back from his ankle injury
3. That stretch was also against Georgia Southern, NC State, Tarleton State, Norfolk State, and Ole Miss where 4 of the 5 of those games he played 22 or fewer mins
4. His 10 of 18 was against Mississippi State, not Missouri

Slumps happen, yes, but those two situations are not comparable.
 
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