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#253
LouderVol said:
corruption in Beijing, circa 2012 China corruption: Life term for ex-security chief Zhou - BBC News
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Xi's been cleaning house. Thus far, he's been fairly untouchable (just like Putin), due to his lineage, but you have to think (just like Putin, although Putin doesn't have the lineage guarantor) that eventually it's going to catch up with him. Creating too many enemies.

At some point, established and powerful-enough figures are going to tire of him. I don't know if China descends into unrest, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a spat of political murders and more arrests (heck, the arrests are already happening).

#USstillmostcorruptcountry
 
#254
#254
"Resorting to microphone diplomacy, or pointing fingers at each other, will not solve any problems," Wu told a meeting on Capitol Hill to mark the 10th anniversary of the US Congress's US-China Working Group.
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Does this message apply to Russia?
 
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volprof said:
Xi's been cleaning house. Thus far, he's been fairly untouchable (just like Putin), due to his lineage, but you have to think (just like Putin, although Putin doesn't have the lineage guarantor) that eventually it's going to catch up with him. Creating too many enemies.

At some point, established and powerful-enough figures are going to tire of him. I don't know if China descends into unrest, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a spat of political murders and more arrests (heck, the arrests are already happening).

#USstillmostcorruptcountry
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yeah i wonder how much of this is typical distraction efforts. guys in power digging up and airing out all the crap from people before so no one looks into his own faults. because the guy doing the house cleaning is never dirty themselves.
 
#256
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This OPM breach reminds me of an issue that came up about 10-12 years ago.

So China did most of the bulk manufacturing for Dell/HP/etc. They'd make the main system boards that the CPU, HDD, etc would all connect through. This board also controlled the on-board Network Interface as well as some having a microphone and speaker built in. Well, all had a speaker, some had mics.

Anyway, China instituted a back-door where the mic could be turned on and would call back to "home" which was an IP back in China.

They'd have all "phone home" and would be able to tell where machines that were in US and other government sites based on the network route taken. Then they'd turn the mics on and listen in.

Yep, they got mic'd access to all sorts of good places.

China has been doing this crap for decades, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
 
#257
#257
For those curious, most board components are fabricated in the US and assembled in Taiwan or Malaysia for this and a multitude of other copyright theft reasons.
 
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#258
agent|orange said:
For those curious, most board components are fabricated in the US and assembled in Taiwan or Malaysia for this and a multitude of other copyright theft reasons.
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yeah i think it was Velo that talked about how good it was for the US to keep IBM manufacturing here and assembly is done elsewhere. I really believe we need to make a strong push back to being self supporting.
 
#259
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agent|orange said:
This OPM breach reminds me of an issue that came up about 10-12 years ago.

So China did most of the bulk manufacturing for Dell/HP/etc. They'd make the main system boards that the CPU, HDD, etc would all connect through. This board also controlled the on-board Network Interface as well as some having a microphone and speaker built in. Well, all had a speaker, some had mics.

Anyway, China instituted a back-door where the mic could be turned on and would call back to "home" which was an IP back in China.

They'd have all "phone home" and would be able to tell where machines that were in US and other government sites based on the network route taken. Then they'd turn the mics on and listen in.

Yep, they got mic'd access to all sorts of good places.

China has been doing this crap for decades, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
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didn't they just do this with cell phones to? it was one of those: the government caught the chinese back door because it interfered with their own and they called out the Chinese and then it was a mess when it came out how/why they figured it out.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah i think it was Velo that talked about how good it was for the US to keep IBM manufacturing here and assembly is done elsewhere. I really believe we need to make a strong push back to being self supporting.
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I know I've brought it up multiple times that Intel has brought back all fabrication of chips/wafers and sends the assembly over to Malaysia and Taiwan.

Fabrication is the sensitive (and economically most valuable) process in this. Assembly leaves some room for manipulation but is more of just a rote task and involves no real intellectual property for someone to steal.

I wouldn't trust the Chinese with any process of any manufacturing. Period.
 
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agent|orange said:
Anyway, China instituted a back-door where the mic could be turned on and would call back to "home" which was an IP back in China.

They'd have all "phone home" and would be able to tell where machines that were in US and other government sites based on the network route taken. Then they'd turn the mics on and listen in.
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On networks so equipped, isn't there a way to track where outward data is being routed?
 
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Velo Vol said:
On networks so equipped, isn't there a way to track where outward data is being routed?
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To a certain extent, especially if it's a novice.

If it's a tunneled approach using a network of vulnerable systems that makes numerous jumps across multiple nations (of varying friendliness to the US) it gets a lot more complicated.
 
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yeah just like with Russia its easier to blame America than it is to own up to the fact that you suck/we are better. also lets them say anybody against us must be for the Americans, and not for you know: bettering China.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah just like with Russia its easier to blame America than it is to own up to the fact that you suck/we are better. also lets them say anybody against us must be for the Americans, and not for you know: bettering China.
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If no one alive today living anywhere in the world could possibly desire a better form of governance than what he or she currently has, it makes you wonder how revolutions and civil wars ever happened in the first place.

Luckily, we still have America to keep the revolutionary spirit alive in the world.

American intelligence and, indeed, just about all Western intelligence (but American in particular), is in the worst shape it's probably ever been, and it has been this way for at least the past decade. Yet we have two clowns running wild on this forum, claiming that everything that happens in the world that they deem "bad" and that they claim other people could not possibly desire is the result of a CIA coup.

As I've said on here before, and will reiterate again, Ras and Pacer are the biggest American exceptionalists on this entire forum. Constantly deny sovereignty of other peoples and think that the US is the only one on Earth capable of acting.

Sorry, felt like ranting.
 
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#272
#272
volprof said:
If no one alive today living anywhere in the world could possibly desire a better form of governance than what he or she currently has, it makes you wonder how revolutions and civil wars ever happened in the first place.

Luckily, we still have America to keep the revolutionary spirit alive in the world.

American intelligence and, indeed, just about all Western intelligence (but American in particular), is in the worst shape it's probably ever been, and it has been this way for at least the past decade. Yet we have two clowns running wild on this forum, claiming that everything that happens in the world that they deem "bad" and that they claim other people could not possibly desire is the result of a CIA coup.

As I've said on here before, and will reiterate again, Ras and Pacer are the biggest American exceptionalists on this entire forum. Constantly deny sovereignty of other peoples and think that the US is the only one on Earth capable of acting.

Sorry, felt like ranting.
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Nice rant.
 
#273
#273
volprof said:
If no one alive today living anywhere in the world could possibly desire a better form of governance than what he or she currently has, it makes you wonder how revolutions and civil wars ever happened in the first place.

Luckily, we still have America to keep the revolutionary spirit alive in the world.

American intelligence and, indeed, just about all Western intelligence (but American in particular), is in the worst shape it's probably ever been, and it has been this way for at least the past decade. Yet we have two clowns running wild on this forum, claiming that everything that happens in the world that they deem "bad" and that they claim other people could not possibly desire is the result of a CIA coup.

As I've said on here before, and will reiterate again, Ras and Pacer are the biggest American exceptionalists on this entire forum. Constantly deny sovereignty of other peoples and think that the US is the only one on Earth capable of acting.

Sorry, felt like ranting.
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agree.
 
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Velo Vol said:
China says no more fake islands.
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? they will build no more. or that because they have finished the islands they aren't fake? or they will stop construction upon the "islands" they have created and will not make any more.

or was this a jedi mind trick "there are no more fake isrands" guess their inability to pronounce L kept it from working on me.
 
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