China Thread

#201
#201
LouderVol said:
sorry, i don't read as much RT as you. :)
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The other day, my wife and I were listening to a BBC Radio special on China and its stance specifically in the South China Sea. Not typically being concerned by such matters, she got really interested and inquired more.

One thing led to another, and I told her about RT, its selective reporting and selective amnesia, sometimes outright manipulation of facts or use of shoddy sources, and its posters who think everything that ever happens in the world is the result of a Ziojewnazi American conspiracy.

She asked what I care so much about that garbage. I told her it wasn't so much that I cared; rather, it's like watching the proverbial train wreck. As the disaster unfolds, you just can't look away.
 
#202
#202
volprof said:
I wonder if China's recent attempts to establish the yuan as a reserve currency and to make itself "too big to fail" by making other nations far too dependent on its economy through such things as its new Asian bank, coupled with its overtly aggressive approach to regional territorial disputes/claims that seems (at least when Chinese officials speak about it publicly) to have no clear direction and lacks transparency, is a sign that the CCP is aware that the bubble is just about to burst.

Oh, obligatory #pivoteast and #wrongsideofhistory
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:whistling:
 
#203
#203
i am not the type to pound my chest, but my friend and i have been talking about this very thing since high school. i forget what it was exactly but we read something about a Hong Kong vs China issue and we went from there.

i never understood how the capitalistic communist system was supposed to work out. everybody is equal and gets the same thing, except for these people and these people and these people. what they were trying to do, from my understanding of it, was admirable but doomed to failure. instead of a communism based equality of the lowest common denominator they were trying to raise it for everyone but too many have slipped through the equality bar. which has always been a joke anyway.
 
#204
#204
volprof said:
The other day, my wife and I were listening to a BBC Radio special on China and its stance specifically in the South China Sea. Not typically being concerned by such matters, she got really interested and inquired more.

One thing led to another, and I told her about RT, its selective reporting and selective amnesia, sometimes outright manipulation of facts or use of shoddy sources, and its posters who think everything that ever happens in the world is the result of a Ziojewnazi American conspiracy.

She asked what I care so much about that garbage. I told her it wasn't so much that I cared; rather, it's like watching the proverbial train wreck. As the disaster unfolds, you just can't look away.
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for me its a couple things. i want to pay attention so that when the next world war (major war) starts i at least know the reasons and why we are having to put a smack down on someone (or receiving it). for whatever reason knowing the reason why the world is going to crap helps me sleep at night. I also find it very interesting. and lastly when the world goes to crap I have my version of how i survive as lord over minor kingdom, and i figure i better get used to weird politics now so i can hopefully avoid some of those pitfalls myself.
 
#205
#205
LouderVol said:
i am not the type to pound my chest, but my friend and i have been talking about this very thing since high school. i forget what it was exactly but we read something about a Hong Kong vs China issue and we went from there.

i never understood how the capitalistic communist system was supposed to work out. everybody is equal and gets the same thing, except for these people and these people and these people. what they were trying to do, from my understanding of it, was admirable but doomed to failure. instead of a communism based equality of the lowest common denominator they were trying to raise it for everyone but too many have slipped through the equality bar. which has always been a joke anyway.
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You and your friend were weird high school students. You're not supposed to be interested in such things until at least the age of 23 or 24.
 
#206
#206
volprof said:
You and your friend were weird high school students. You're not supposed to be interested in such things until at least the age of 23 or 24.
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who doesn't want to rule the world? we were thinking of going into the drug dealing business in Columbia or wherever as the best place to get rich quick. offering deals to the US government so they can tax our stuff and help us eliminate competition and then once we had the money we start buying up pieces of the world.
 
#207
#207
#211
#211
Why China Has the Right to 'Build Sovereignty' in the South China Sea | Shen Dingli

Like most Internet articles I read, I just leaped right into this one. I typically don't bother seeing who the author is unless I find the article particularly insightful or particularly stupid.

I didn't even get a quarter of a way through this one before I had to scroll up to the top to see who was the adwizard.

Shocking.

By which I mean, I was not shocked at all.
 
#212
#212
volprof said:
Why China Has the Right to 'Build Sovereignty' in the South China Sea*|*Shen Dingli

Like most Internet articles I read, I just leaped right into this one. I typically don't bother seeing who the author is unless I find the article particularly insightful or particularly stupid.

I didn't even get a quarter of a way through this one before I had to scroll up to the top to see who was the adwizard.

Shocking.

By which I mean, I was not shocked at all.
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complete bs
International law has not prohibited the reclamation of land or islands from the sea. For instance, Shanghai has expanded greatly since the Song Dynasty by reclaiming land from the sea. Songjiang, now a part of internal land here, used to be coastal many centuries ago. Such reclamation has been continuing all the time. Japan has built Kansai International Airport through reclamation, Hong Kong has done similarly for its current airport and Dubai has engineered its famous World Islands projects for leisure purposes. Certainly they have expanded their territory and gained associate benefits. Contemporary international maritime law doesn't disallow such activities.
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international law allows you to expand islands that already exist, not create new islands off of reefs. this was in one of the articles i linked.


wait wait wait, China wants to create a structure to peacefully resolve these issues? one already exists. the reason they want another is because the one that exists has denied their claims over and over again.
Despite this, China has joined the Declaration On The Conduct Of Parties In The South China Sea with all ASEAN members, committing to using peaceful means only to settle disputes. Lately Beijing has embarked on a process of preparing for negotiating the Code of Conduct on the South China Sea with the aim of eventually concluding a multilateral, legally bound framework of resolving disputes peacefully in the region.
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i agree prof a bunch of slanted talk in there.
 
#213
#213
LouderVol said:
complete bs
international law allows you to expand islands that already exist, not create new islands off of reefs. this was in one of the articles i linked.


wait wait wait, China wants to create a structure to peacefully resolve these issues? one already exists. the reason they want another is because the one that exists has denied their claims over and over again.

i agree prof a bunch of slanted talk in there.
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Careful now.
 
#215
#215
LouderVol said:
complete bs
international law allows you to expand islands that already exist, not create new islands off of reefs. this was in one of the articles i linked.


wait wait wait, China wants to create a structure to peacefully resolve these issues? one already exists. the reason they want another is because the one that exists has denied their claims over and over again.

i agree prof a bunch of slanted talk in there.
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Like most academics that reside within China or remain Chinese citizens with the intent of returning, he's basically just a mouthpiece for the CCP.

Here in America, our academics typically go on long rants about the American government, while in China, they apparently try to justify Chinese territorial expansion projects.

Different world it is over there.
 
#216
#216
agent|orange said:
Careful now.
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haha!

My wife and I were watching Netflix's original series "Marco Polo" (which involves a lot of Chinese history as well) and got a big chuckle out of one of the members of the Mongol court saying something to the effect of how you can't trust or rely upon those "round eyes" like Polo.
 
#217
#217
volprof said:
haha!

My wife and I were watching Netflix's original series "Marco Polo" (which involves a lot of Chinese history as well) and got a big chuckle out of one of the members of the Mongol court saying something to the effect of how you can't trust or rely upon those "round eyes" like Polo.
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That's such a good show.
 
#223
#223
Velo Vol said:
Massive cyber attack hits U.S. federal workers, probe focuses on China | Reuters



Hard to know how much to make of accusations with no evidence.
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This is such an interesting thing.

It's very cat-and-mouse.

You want to let on you know who did it but you don't want to release evidence how you know. Play ignorant and your adversary is not wise to what, of their capabilities, you know. This is why I don't get the USAF bragged about using social media to bomb that ISIS commander to kingdom come. FFS, you just told them how you did it. Freakin Air Force.

Everything that has been hacked is Unclassified so it poses no real threat. From that, an overwhelming majority of the sites that fall victim to the Chinese are honeypots. Everything is logged (we know this much even of our own transmissions) and tracked.

Think of it like this... You're a football coach and you purposely let "leak" some film of your practice. Now you know your opponent knows what you're doing but your opponent thinks they've found a piece of information that they shouldn't have had.

So when the slot WR pulls back and sprints between the QB and FB you're running one play and your opponent thinks you're running another.
 
#224
#224
If any of you China scholars in here are interested, "Foreign Affairs" magazine's May/June issue focuses on Chinese issues. It's entitled "China Now." Special articles target such issues as Chinese demographics, economics, politics, reform efforts, nationalism, culture, and minority persecution. Sprinkled in are some articles on other international issues, including Putin's attempt to break the Atlantic partnership.

Good reads.
 
#225
#225
Seems to be a pretty big operation.

Data hacked from U.S. government dates back to 1985: official | Reuters

The cyber attack was among the most extensive thefts of information on the federal work force, and one U.S. defense official said it was clearly aimed at gaining valuable information for intelligence purposes.

"This is deep. The data goes back to 1985," a U.S. official said. "This means that they potentially have information about retirees, and they could know what they did after leaving government."
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