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Fǎzé#3: Dāng yīgè rén juédìng méiyǒu xīwàng shí, ràng tā jì zhù yǒngyuǎn bào yǒu xīwàng shì yúchǔn de. Ránhòu gěi tā yīgè mùbiāo....
 
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AM64 said:
Japan has been mulling over changing their constitution that limits the Japanese military to absolute self defense into something more offensive. When it happens, China can take credit for the change; and if things continue down the path that seems inevitable, hopefully China will take some big hits from Japan, too.
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Yep. A return to offensive strike weaponry.

Cruise missiles.
Attack submarines.
Aircraft carriers.

They don’t need landed assault capabilities. They simply need long range strike capabilities.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You seen the mocks of the F/A-XX?

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These things always look neat and sleek, but you have to wonder where they plan to put fuel, electronics, and weapons. The F-35 looks like a pregnant slug with wings, and the information about weapons it carries talks types but not quantities - and external stores change the stealth properties. The wingman drones appear even less capable in terms of numbers. Makes you wonder if the military is back to counting sorties and not results as the statistics. Many books regarding the air war over N Vietnam state that due to shortages of bombs, the mission would still go with high numbers of planes - just fewer munitions - to keep the numbers up.
 
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AM64 said:
These things always look neat and sleek, but you have to wonder where they plan to put fuel, electronics, and weapons. The F-35 looks like a pregnant slug with wings, and the information about weapons it carries talks types but not quantities - and external stores change the stealth properties. The wingman drones appear even less capable in terms of numbers. Makes you wonder if the military is back to counting sorties and not results as the statistics. Many books regarding the air war over N Vietnam state that due to shortages of bombs, the mission would still go with high numbers of planes - just fewer munitions - to keep the numbers up.
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They’re huge. They just look small next to the big boat.

Those wings will hold plenty of fuel.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Sunk Russia’s flagship? I think you’re mistaken.

But you introduce yet another variable for the Chinese to deal with - the fog of war. No fog out there in the desert to shoot through.

And our layered defenses are redundant in many ways, but they are not dependent - if one fails, they do not all fail.
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The Moskva was the Black Sea's flagship, before it became the newest Russian submarine.
 
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Anyone remember Ras claiming that China was acting in ways that would actually aid countries and not lock them into a debt spiral like western lending practices? And I told him it was bs, they were. all those construction loans were trojan horses to being owned by the Chinese outright.

China's loans pushing world’s poorest countries to brink of collapse.

multiple nations failing to pay back the loans after they got less than promised, by the Chinese, results from the loans.
 
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LouderVol said:
Anyone remember Ras claiming that China was acting in ways that would actually aid countries and not lock them into a debt spiral like western lending practices? And I told him it was bs, they were. all those construction loans were trojan horses to being owned by the Chinese outright.

China's loans pushing world’s poorest countries to brink of collapse.

multiple nations failing to pay back the loans after they got less than promised, by the Chinese, results from the loans.
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These countries China is dealing with may be uncivilized enough to run them out of there if they attempt to take over.
 
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Bet there is some serious action at Dugway Proving Grounds right now. It's where they are now doing the most secret development and testing. Largest block of restricted airspace in the US. Fewer mountains and distances are longer for the observers and their telephoto lenses.

In my active duty time I got to explore some pretty secret places and aircraft including getting to sit in a SR-71 cockpit. Never ever met anyone who will admit to flying T&E in Area 51. Top of the pyramid.
 
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BreatheUT said:
These countries China is dealing with may be uncivilized enough to run them out of there if they attempt to take over.
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China has been good on the long game. I wonder if they have another angle they are working.

It could be to simply stretch the west thinner. Set up these nations for a worse failure, knowing the west will want to swoop in and fix things. And instead of having to fix a small problem we are going to have to deal with a bigger problem.

Beyond the financial stretching some of these nations seemed to have been targeted that were politically unstable. China may be hoping to take advantage of the change in exchange for loan forgiveness. Or again they may be wanting to stretch the west into more areas militarily so that we are less capable of responding to any aggression by China. It would also offer China the same excuse to get involved with boots on the ground. and they have a built in excuse with the outstanding loans.

or they could simply offer another bad loan to float the nations until they are in even worse shape and even deeper in debt.
 
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LouderVol said:
China has been good on the long game. I wonder if they have another angle they are working.

It could be to simply stretch the west thinner. Set up these nations for a worse failure, knowing the west will want to swoop in and fix things. And instead of having to fix a small problem we are going to have to deal with a bigger problem.

Beyond the financial stretching some of these nations seemed to have been targeted that were politically unstable. China may be hoping to take advantage of the change in exchange for loan forgiveness. Or again they may be wanting to stretch the west into more areas militarily so that we are less capable of responding to any aggression by China. It would also offer China the same excuse to get involved with boots on the ground. and they have a built in excuse with the outstanding loans.

or they could simply offer another bad loan to float the nations until they are in even worse shape and even deeper in debt.
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yeah but they have no tact.

They will never stretch us thin in Southeast Asia. Their own backyard, because those idiots cant even make peace with their neighbors.

Sooner or later they will realize Africa is a lost cause too.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yes. Moskva was flagship for the Black Sea fleet.
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my point holds, unless you are expecting Ukraine to blow up Russia's fleet out of Vladivostok, of course I would be referring to their Black Sea fleet. thats the one Ukraine is dealing with.
 
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