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AM64 said:
I didn't get the impression that in Cuba, for example, the the US companies there improved the life of average Cubans in the least. If fact our presence probably accentuated the difference between those who have and those who have not, and that's the kind of thing that makes for revolutions - particularly of the socialist kind. Coke wanted sugar, and our wealthy saw Cuba as a playground. The The Hotel Nacional in Havana has several montage type pictures in a lounge bordering a garden. The people in the pictures are a mix of Hollywood and Mafia - from Tom Mix to Lansky, Traficante, Anastasia - but all regulars; I forget which Mafia boss built the hotel/casino that still stood next to our hotel. China is probably little different; sure the people putting together expensive Nike shoes probably do a bit better than the average Chinese, but not anything like the few influential Chinese (probably CCP) who rake it in for playing go between.
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Its always an interesting argument, most people who argue about the failures of a colonial economic system, like our plants moving there for cheap labor, are often proponents for the minimum wage ruining our economy. Seems like a minimum, livable, wage for Cuba would have ruined their economy just as it did ours. I don't get why its an argument that we held them back. The US went through the exact same issue, our colonizers forced an economic system that required slavery to meet production levels that were profitable. At some point the host country has to be responsible to itself. Look at the Dominican Republic vs Haiti, at the time the "Double Debt" (1825) was forced upon Haiti they were a single country, and remained such for a while. The little that got paid back to the french on the original debt came from the area of the Dominican. The Haitians just completely mismanaged the money, they collected the taxes, but would spend on their own pet projects. When the French came to collect the money was gone, and this was one of several things that lead to the Dominican eventually freeing itself from Haiti. The Dominicans took care of themselves, and paid their debts (admittedly it was less than Haiti owed but they were never French so it didn't make sense twice), and thus were able to thrive. Literally on the other side of an imaginary line the same people's didn't take care of themselves. Long way to say our plants, and involvement can't be considered the majority blame.

it didn't help that those who worked at those plants, or any of the tourist businesses were typically ostracized. Hard to spread the wealth when the other half rejects any type of acceptance. most of the initial bunch of Cubans who fled the revolution were those that had worked with tourists, or American businesses, because their comrades held it against them that they had any money.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
Less than 1% of the Taiwanese population works in China. How’s that significant? 27 mil Taiwanese and only 163,000 of them work in China and more Taiwanese people live in America than China.
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163000 people is a lot of people. That is a slightly smaller than the city of Chattanooga.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
You said a significant amount of people. Less than 1% of a population is not significant by any means.
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Yes... I said a significant amount Taiwanese, not a significant percentage. You took my comment and flipped it into me saying something that I clearly did not say or insinuate.

BTW, 1% (actually less than 1%) of people died from COVID and that was justification for lockdowns.

Anyways, I'm done with talking with you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes... I said a significant amount Taiwanese, not a significant percentage. You took my comment and flipped it into me saying something that I clearly did not say or insinuate.

BTW, 1% (actually less than 1%) of people died from COVID and that was justification for lockdowns.

Anyways, I'm done with talking with you.
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Whether it’s a percentage, fraction, amount it’s not significant. 163,000 of 27,000,000 is insignificant.
 
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Raytheon CEO Explains Why China Has US Military By The Balls | ZeroHedge

Raytheon Chief Executive Greg Hayes admitted last week that Beijing effectively has the US military's supply chain by the balls thanks to its reliance on rare earths and other materials which come from, or are processed in, China.

According to Hayes, Raytheon has "several thousand suppliers in China," because of which "decoupling ... is impossible."

"We can de-risk but not decouple," he told the Financial Times, adding that he thinks this is the case "for everybody."

"Think about the $500bn of trade that goes from China to the US every year. More than 95 per cent of rare earth materials or metals come from, or are processed in, China. There is no alternative," Hayes continued, adding "If we had to pull out of China, it would take us many many years to re-establish that capability either domestically or in other friendly countries."
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Raytheon CEO Explains Why China Has US Military By The Balls | ZeroHedge

Raytheon Chief Executive Greg Hayes admitted last week that Beijing effectively has the US military's supply chain by the balls thanks to its reliance on rare earths and other materials which come from, or are processed in, China.

According to Hayes, Raytheon has "several thousand suppliers in China," because of which "decoupling ... is impossible."

"We can de-risk but not decouple," he told the Financial Times, adding that he thinks this is the case "for everybody."

"Think about the $500bn of trade that goes from China to the US every year. More than 95 per cent of rare earth materials or metals come from, or are processed in, China. There is no alternative," Hayes continued, adding "If we had to pull out of China, it would take us many many years to re-establish that capability either domestically or in other friendly countries."
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Not a very good strategy or issue to have. Several years of bad judgment and greed is to thank for this.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Raytheon CEO Explains Why China Has US Military By The Balls | ZeroHedge

Raytheon Chief Executive Greg Hayes admitted last week that Beijing effectively has the US military's supply chain by the balls thanks to its reliance on rare earths and other materials which come from, or are processed in, China.

According to Hayes, Raytheon has "several thousand suppliers in China," because of which "decoupling ... is impossible."

"We can de-risk but not decouple," he told the Financial Times, adding that he thinks this is the case "for everybody."

"Think about the $500bn of trade that goes from China to the US every year. More than 95 per cent of rare earth materials or metals come from, or are processed in, China. There is no alternative," Hayes continued, adding "If we had to pull out of China, it would take us many many years to re-establish that capability either domestically or in other friendly countries."
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what about Vietnam , Australia , India, Sweden or any other number of countries?
 
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85SugarVol said:
https://eurasiantimes.com/china-is-...to-become-2nd-country-to-reach-arctic-seabed/

They already refer to themselves as a “near-Arctic” nation. Only a matter of time.
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Wonder how Russia would take it if China decided to annex Vladivostok and the land that separates China from the Pacific north of the Korean peninsula? After all, it would be for exactly the same reason that Russia wants part of Ukraine including Crimea. You've got some property, and it's in our way, so we'll just take it. It's difficult to be “near-Arctic” and need an Artic-going fleet if your sea access is nowhere near Artic waters.
 
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AM64 said:
Wonder how Russia would take it if China decided to annex Vladivostok and the land that separates China from the Pacific north of the Korean peninsula? After all, it would be for exactly the same reason that Russia wants part of Ukraine including Crimea. You've got some property, and it's in our way, so we'll just take it. It's difficult to be “near-Arctic” and need an Artic-going fleet if your sea access is nowhere near Artic waters.
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Their claim will be laughable. I bet Ras will like it though.
 
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EasternVol said:
Not all that laughable. Check how Russia got that territory.
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Interesting; I always wondered why Russia would own that real estate but never looked into it. The desire would be obvious, but the how isn't. I just got an overview and read that it was settled by treaties, but nothing about whether it was forced. Without reading a book on the subject, is there a short commentary that covers the issue and whether it was forced or just give and take? Part of me says that China was probably a Paper Dragon and Imperial Russia made them an offer they couldn't refuse, but there didn't seem to be any fighting.
 
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AM64 said:
Interesting; I always wondered why Russia would own that real estate but never looked into it. The desire would be obvious, but the how isn't. I just got an overview and read that it was settled by treaties, but nothing about whether it was forced. Without reading a book on the subject, is there a short commentary that covers the issue and whether it was forced or just give and take? Part of me says that China was probably a Paper Dragon and Imperial Russia made them an offer they couldn't refuse, but there didn't seem to be any fighting.
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My understanding is that Russia strong-armed China for it when China had lost the Opium Wars, kind of like they got Japanese territory at the end of WWII. But that's just from reading articles here and there. I don't know a good book on the subject but that will be a good one to look for.
 
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