China Thread

[davethevol]

It is alarming what is going on with China and how brazen they've been with this administration. Then there is the weakness coming out of the Biden Administration. Both are and have been unevenly in China's favor.

It’s not just Biden though. What is Congress doing? They’re all bought and paid for.

 

[BreatheUT]

It’s not just Biden though. What is Congress doing? They’re all bought and paid for.

You can find small bills related to China that in my opinion don't move the needle but I agree that is part of the problem.

The biggest issue though is the Biden Administration and China's open aggression toward the US.

 

[Hunerwadel]

EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Intel Arm Quietly Operates ‘Service Centers’ In 7 US Cities

A Chinese intelligence agency quietly operates “service centers” in seven American cities, all of which have had contact with Beijing’s national police authority, according to state media reports and government records reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation.

The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) United Front Work Department (UFWD) — which at least one U.S. government commission has characterized as a “Chinese intelligence service” — operates so-called “Overseas Chinese Service Centers” (OCSCs) that are housed within various U.S.-based nonprofits. OCSCs were ostensibly set up to promote Chinese culture and assist Chinese citizens living abroad, according to Chinese government records.

EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Intel Arm Quietly Operates ‘Service Centers’ In 7 US Cities

They must not be operating too quietly. I mean the info has made it's way to the VolNation PF.

 

[AM64]

The Pentagon Is Freaking Out About a Potential War With China

America needs to begin war production on everything before this scenario plays out and we get our ass kicked on the world stage.

The military screwed up big time and is getting caught in the lurch. They made stuff too expensive to buy and maintain, and the divest to invest thing isn't working either. Worse is that contractors can't get stuff delivered. The AF needs more pilots in the training pipeline, and the new trainer is delayed. It's easy to be critical, but it looks like one huge planning mess - including planning overly complex weapons instead of more cheaper, simpler, and easier to maintain hardware.

 

[AM64]

EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Intel Arm Quietly Operates ‘Service Centers’ In 7 US Cities

A Chinese intelligence agency quietly operates “service centers” in seven American cities, all of which have had contact with Beijing’s national police authority, according to state media reports and government records reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation.

The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) United Front Work Department (UFWD) — which at least one U.S. government commission has characterized as a “Chinese intelligence service” — operates so-called “Overseas Chinese Service Centers” (OCSCs) that are housed within various U.S.-based nonprofits. OCSCs were ostensibly set up to promote Chinese culture and assist Chinese citizens living abroad, according to Chinese government records.

EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Intel Arm Quietly Operates ‘Service Centers’ In 7 US Cities

Gotta have somebody here to write biden checks, keep him toeing the party line, and run interference.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The military screwed up big time and is getting caught in the lurch. They made stuff too expensive to buy and maintain, and the divest to invest thing isn't working either. Worse is that contractors can't get stuff delivered. The AF needs more pilots in the training pipeline, and the new trainer is delayed. It's easy to be critical, but it looks like one huge planning mess - including planning overly complex weapons instead of more cheaper, simpler, and easier to maintain hardware.

WOW...

 

[AM64]

WOW...

Wow, what? I've said that many times here, and there are plenty of articles written about it. It's a failure to do what you can realistically do. KISS is a really good philosophy to use when things are needed for a crisis mode. The military is fond of trying to develop things that make F1 racing cars simple when the goal should be developing stuff as robust as the old farm equipment that just worked. You can't fly it, sail it, or drive it when something is in the shop ... especially when the hours of maintenance wildly exceed the flying hours.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58942
Not a Lot of F-35s Are Flying Right Now
Military Watch Magazine
Navy’s Newest Aircraft Carrier Has Lot to Prove

 

[BreatheUT]

You gotta love when the Biden Administration touts progress with China yet there are never details.

Then Blinken reports this doozie - Xi may visit the US in November when he visits San Francisco and meet with Biden.

 

[Orangeburst]

You gotta love when the Biden Administration touts progress with China yet there are never details.

Then Blinken reports this doozie - Xi may visit the US in November when he visits San Francisco and meet with Biden.

Tell Xi to download the poop app. Geez..he will see America at its finest.

 

[BreatheUT]

Tell Xi to download the poop app. Geez..he will see America at its finest.

He's been investing in Africa. He knows what 3rd world looks like. He is making a statement wanting to visit the heart of our tech industry.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

the chicoms are scum of the earth

The Brits had a trade deficit with China and was being bled of silver, so in order to make up the trade deficit, they started slanging opium.

Opium Wars - Wikipedia

The First Opium War broke out in 1839 between China and Britain and was fought over trading rights (including the right of free trade) and Britain's diplomatic status among Chinese officials. In the eighteenth century, China enjoyed a trade surplus with Europe, trading porcelain, silk, and tea in exchange for silver. By the late 17th century, the British East India Company (EIC) expanded the cultivation of opium in the Bengal Presidency, selling it to private merchants who transported it to China and covertly sold it on to Chinese smugglers.[4] By 1797, the EIC was selling 4,000 chests of opium (each weighing 77 kg) to private merchants per annum.[5]

In earlier centuries, opium was utilised as a medicine with anesthetic qualities, but new Chinese practices of smoking opium recreationally increased demand tremendously and often led to smokers developing addictions. Successive Chinese emperors issued edicts making opium illegal in 1729, 1799, 1814, and 1831, but imports grew as smugglers and colluding officials in China sought profit.[6] Some American merchants entered the trade by smuggling opium from Turkey into China, including Warren Delano Jr., the grandfather of twentieth-century President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Francis Blackwell Forbes; in American historiography this is sometimes referred to as the Old China Trade.[7] By 1833, the Chinese opium trade soared to 30,000 chests.[5] British and American merchants sent opium to warehouses in the free-trade port of Canton, and sold it to Chinese smugglers.[6][8]

In 1834, the EIC's monopoly on British trade with China ceased, and the opium trade burgeoned. Partly concerned with moral issues over the consumption of opium and partly with the outflow of silver, the Daoguang Emperor charged Governor General Lin Zexu with ending the trade. In 1839, Lin published in Canton an open letter to Queen Victoria requesting her cooperation in halting the opium trade. The letter never reached the Queen.[9] It was later published in The Times as a direct appeal to the British public for their cooperation.[10] An edict from the Daoguang Emperor followed on 18 March,[11] emphasising the serious penalties for opium smuggling that would now apply henceforth. Lin ordered the seizure of all opium in Canton, including that held by foreign governments and trading companies (called factories),[12] and the companies prepared to hand over a token amount to placate him.[13][page needed] Charles Elliot, Chief Superintendent of British Trade in China, arrived 3 days after the expiry of Lin's deadline, as Chinese troops enforced a shutdown and blockade of the factories. The standoff ended after Elliot paid for all the opium on credit from the British government (despite lacking official authority to make the purchase) and handed the 20,000 chests (1,300 metric tons) over to Lin, who had them destroyed at Humen.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

the chicoms are scum of the earth

Klaus Barbie - Wikipedia

Barbie was strongly linked to the neo-Nazi paramilitary member Álvaro de Castro, who was his personally hired bodyguard and the two participated in criminal actions and businesses together. De Castro had connections with powerful drug barons and the illegal drug trade and, together with Barbie (under the name Altmann) and an Austrian company, sold weapons to the drug cartels, and when de Castro was arrested he admitted in interviews that he had earlier worked for drug lords in the country. Other sources say Barbie most likely also had connections with these organizations.[29] Initially, he worked for Roberto Suárez Gómez who eventually introduced him to Colombian traffickers. Barbie met with Pablo Escobar and several other high ranking members of the Medellín cartel in the late 1970s, and agreed to arrange for security of Escobar's raw coca supply, from its cultivation until it reached processing plants in Colombia. In exchange, Escobar agreed to fund Barbie's anti-communist activities.[30] De Castro continued to correspond with Barbie when Barbie was later under arrest.[31][25][26][27][28][29] Their connections also provided intelligence information to US authorities at the US Embassy. A group called "The Fiancés of Death", which included German Nazis and Fascists, had links to some of Barbie's actions in Bolivia. Barbie earlier also carried out a large arms purchase of tanks from Austria to the Bolivian army. These were then used in a coup d'état.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

the chicoms are scum of the earth

Klaus Barbie - Wikipedia

Barbie was strongly linked to the neo-Nazi paramilitary member Álvaro de Castro, who was his personally hired bodyguard and the two participated in criminal actions and businesses together. De Castro had connections with powerful drug barons and the illegal drug trade and, together with Barbie (under the name Altmann) and an Austrian company, sold weapons to the drug cartels, and when de Castro was arrested he admitted in interviews that he had earlier worked for drug lords in the country. Other sources say Barbie most likely also had connections with these organizations.[29] Initially, he worked for Roberto Suárez Gómez who eventually introduced him to Colombian traffickers. Barbie met with Pablo Escobar and several other high ranking members of the Medellín cartel in the late 1970s, and agreed to arrange for security of Escobar's raw coca supply, from its cultivation until it reached processing plants in Colombia. In exchange, Escobar agreed to fund Barbie's anti-communist activities.[30] De Castro continued to correspond with Barbie when Barbie was later under arrest.[31][25][26][27][28][29] Their connections also provided intelligence information to US authorities at the US Embassy. A group called "The Fiancés of Death", which included German Nazis and Fascists, had links to some of Barbie's actions in Bolivia. Barbie earlier also carried out a large arms purchase of tanks from Austria to the Bolivian army. These were then used in a coup d'état.

Nikolaus Barbie (25 October 1913 – 25 September 1991) was a German operative of the SS and SD who worked in Vichy France during World War II. He became known as the "Butcher of Lyon" for having personally tortured prisoners—primarily Jews and members of the French Resistance—as the head of the Gestapo in Lyon. After the war, United States intelligence services employed him for his anti-communist efforts and aided his escape to Bolivia, where he advised the dictatorial regime on how to repress opposition through torture. In 1983, the United States apologised to France for aiding Barbie's escape from an outstanding arrest warrant.

 

[OrangeBoro]

You gotta love when the Biden Administration touts progress with China yet there are never details.

Then Blinken reports this doozie - Xi may visit the US in November when he visits San Francisco and meet with Biden.

Of course he will meet with Biden, he wants to hand deliver the 10% for the big guy

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

the chicoms are scum of the earth

Allegations of CIA drug trafficking - Wikipedia

During the Korean War, the first allegations of CIA drug trafficking surfaced after 1949, stemming from a deal whereby arms were supplied to Chiang Kai-shek's defeated generals in exchange for intelligence.[15] Later in the same region, while the CIA was sponsoring a "Secret War" in Laos from 1961 to 1975, it was openly accused of trafficking heroin in the Golden Triangle area.

To fight its "Secret War" against the Pathet Lao communist movement of Laos, the CIA used the Miao/Meo (Hmong) population. Because of the war, the Hmong depended upon opium poppy cultivation for hard currency. The Plain of Jars had been captured by Pathet Lao fighters in 1964, which resulted in the Royal Lao Air Force being unable to land its C-47 transport aircraft on the Plain of Jars for opium transport. The Royal Laotian Air Force had almost no light planes that could land on the dirt runways near the mountaintop poppy fields. Having no way to transport their opium, the Hmong were faced with economic ruin. Air America, a CIA front organization, was the only airline available in northern Laos. Alfred McCoy writes, "According to several unproven sources, Air America began flying opium from mountain villages north and east of the Plain of Jars to CIA asset Hmong General Vang Pao's headquarters at Long Tieng."[16]

The CIA's front company, Air America was alleged to have profited from transporting opium and heroin on behalf of Hmong leader Vang Pao,[17][18] or of "turning a blind eye" to the Laotian military doing it.[19][20] This allegation has been supported also by former Laos CIA paramilitary Anthony Poshepny (aka Tony Poe), former Air America pilots, and other people involved in the war. It is portrayed in the movie Air America. Larry Collins alleged:

During the Vietnam War, US operations in Laos were largely a CIA responsibility. The CIA's surrogate there was a Laotian general, Vang Pao, who commanded Military Region 2 in northern Laos. He enlisted 30,000 Hmong tribesmen in the service of the CIA. These tribesmen continued to grow, as they had for generations, the opium poppy. Before long, someone—there were unproven allegations that it was a Mafia family from Florida—had established a heroin drug refinery lab in Region Two. The lab's production was soon being ferried out on the planes of the CIA's front airline, Air America. A pair of BNDD [the predecessor of the US Drug Enforcement Administration] agents tried to seize an Air America."​

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Allegations of CIA drug trafficking - Wikipedia

During the Korean War, the first allegations of CIA drug trafficking surfaced after 1949, stemming from a deal whereby arms were supplied to Chiang Kai-shek's defeated generals in exchange for intelligence.[15] Later in the same region, while the CIA was sponsoring a "Secret War" in Laos from 1961 to 1975, it was openly accused of trafficking heroin in the Golden Triangle area.

To fight its "Secret War" against the Pathet Lao communist movement of Laos, the CIA used the Miao/Meo (Hmong) population. Because of the war, the Hmong depended upon opium poppy cultivation for hard currency. The Plain of Jars had been captured by Pathet Lao fighters in 1964, which resulted in the Royal Lao Air Force being unable to land its C-47 transport aircraft on the Plain of Jars for opium transport. The Royal Laotian Air Force had almost no light planes that could land on the dirt runways near the mountaintop poppy fields. Having no way to transport their opium, the Hmong were faced with economic ruin. Air America, a CIA front organization, was the only airline available in northern Laos. Alfred McCoy writes, "According to several unproven sources, Air America began flying opium from mountain villages north and east of the Plain of Jars to CIA asset Hmong General Vang Pao's headquarters at Long Tieng."[16]

The CIA's front company, Air America was alleged to have profited from transporting opium and heroin on behalf of Hmong leader Vang Pao,[17][18] or of "turning a blind eye" to the Laotian military doing it.[19][20] This allegation has been supported also by former Laos CIA paramilitary Anthony Poshepny (aka Tony Poe), former Air America pilots, and other people involved in the war. It is portrayed in the movie Air America. Larry Collins alleged:

During the Vietnam War, US operations in Laos were largely a CIA responsibility. The CIA's surrogate there was a Laotian general, Vang Pao, who commanded Military Region 2 in northern Laos. He enlisted 30,000 Hmong tribesmen in the service of the CIA. These tribesmen continued to grow, as they had for generations, the opium poppy. Before long, someone—there were unproven allegations that it was a Mafia family from Florida—had established a heroin drug refinery lab in Region Two. The lab's production was soon being ferried out on the planes of the CIA's front airline, Air America. A pair of BNDD [the predecessor of the US Drug Enforcement Administration] agents tried to seize an Air America."​

During a PBS Frontline investigation, DEA field agent Hector Berrellez said, "I believe that elements working for the CIA were involved in bringing drugs into the country."

"I know specifically that some of the CIA contract workers, meaning some of the pilots, in fact were bringing drugs into the U.S. and landing some of these drugs in government military air bases. And I know so because I was told by some of these pilots that in fact they had done that."[26]

Several journalists assert that the CIA used Mena Intermountain Municipal Airport in Arkansas to smuggle weapons and ammunition to the Contras in Nicaragua, and drugs back into the United States.[27][28] Some theories even invoke the involvement of political figures, including Oliver North, then vice president and former CIA director George H. W. Bush and then Arkansas governor Bill Clinton.[28][29]

The CIA's self-investigation, overseen by the CIA's inspector general, stated that the CIA had no involvement in or knowledge of any illegal activities that may have occurred in Mena. The report said that the agency had conducted a training exercise at the airport in partnership with another Federal agency and that companies located at the airport had performed "routine aviation-related services on equipment owned by the CIA".

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

When we went, you had to be on a tour dedicated to one of a few areas like education. You have a guide and go everywhere on a bus where you are told all the good and how without our embargo it would be better. Nobody will admit that communism/socialism was abject failure. Almost every building has water tanks on the roof because the water supply only works some days of the week. Those old American cars are really there, but the one we rode in like most others ran on a Gaz diesel - the shell is the old car, but the power is almost always some sort of Russian powertrain. We got one background/indoctrination about how the US screwed Cuba but nothing of how US companies that had invested there lost all their investment.

Those US companies I'm sure had made up any losses in Cuba with all of the wreckage and corruption that they had running in other Latin American countries.

 

[LouderVol]

Those US companies I'm sure had made up any losses in Cuba with all of the wreckage and corruption that they had running in other Latin American countries.

so localized theft/destruction/loss should just be accepted if you gain overall?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

so localized theft/destruction/loss should just be accepted if you gain overall?

Ask the EU and the US about theft in the past year...

 

[Orangeburst]

Just like the Dems of US. Gonna **** the nation and no going back.

 

[BreatheUT]

Even if, and that's a big if, that is true you of all people would know this is like the socialist/commies taking over the US. How many Chinese nationals have infiltrated Taiwan?

 

[Orangeburst]

Even if, and that's a big if, that is true you of all people would know this is like the socialist/commies taking over the US. How many Chinese nationals have infiltrated Taiwan?

No way a Pro CCP Party would legitimately win. There is no going back

 

[LouderVol]

Ask the EU and the US about theft in the past year...

Or the Russians since 2014

 

[AM64]

Those US companies I'm sure had made up any losses in Cuba with all of the wreckage and corruption that they had running in other Latin American countries.

Entirely possible, and in all honesty I can't really find it within me to sympathize much for companies that build plants in other countries and expect them to always be secure - particularly the places companies go to take advantage of cheap labor. The labor is generally cheap there for a reason, and the reason generally doesn't come with political stability or freedoms. I've always thought that building a plant in China was a foolish venture unless you see the investment as a throwaway and the loss recovered in excess profit made by selling cheaply made stuff at a premium here in the US.