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Velo Vol said:
Will it? It's downward pressure on global soybean prices.
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I believe they are still a net importer of food. So one of their food sources takes a hit and I would say there is more pressure. Does it move the needle? Idk.
 
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LouderVol said:
I believe they are still a net importer of food. So one of their food sources takes a hit and I would say there is more pressure. Does it move the needle? Idk.
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It depends how much pork is available on the market, and who is exporting.
 
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Velo Vol said:
It depends how much pork is available on the market, and who is exporting.
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The discussion illustrates the complexity of the problem.

If you're trying to fix China freeloading off other people's work (IP), one nation imposing tariffs isn't a very effective way of dealing with it.
 
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Imposing tariffs is actually the only way to deal with it. You can see their resistance to any change. The trade war started over 15 years ago and we passively lost 15 years straight with a host of casualties. We have finally fought back and it will take a sledgehammer approach just to tilt the scale in our direction, not to win, just tilt. Just open those markets and trade fairly for a change.
 
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Velo Vol said:
The discussion illustrates the complexity of the problem.

If you're trying to fix China freeloading off other people's work (IP), one nation imposing tariffs isn't a very effective way of dealing with it.
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True, but there are other ways to influence laggards. But then they generate things like "why is Trump killing NATO?" German and French companies have never seen an embargo they didn't like and couldn't profit from, and it's so much easier when someone else is defending their place and protecting their access to raw materials of which they have precious few.
 
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
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A country is only as strong as its ability to produce what it needs. A self sufficient country can be made vulnerable by taking away the ability to internally produce what it needs. It is a lot easier to close up shop, quit producing, and import cheap goods than it is to resume manufacturing when you find yourself a hostage to cheap trade ... you are in debt to others, have no real manufacturing, and lack skilled labor. Yet many of our "leaders" in both industry and government refuse to see. Without real jobs the workforce is eventually as bankrupt as the country. And with China, it doesn't matter whether we produce the "intellectual property" necessary to invent, plan, and manufacture because China simply steals rather than buys what it wants.
 
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AM64 said:
Bullets and missiles? You do know the Permanent Court of Arbitration sided against China over the South China Sea islands ... didn't affect China's opinion or determination.
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China helped write the laws they are breaking in the South China Sea. The US had nothing to do with it. And it's funny watching the Chinese flounder about complaining about stuff they wrote.
 
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LouderVol said:
China helped write the laws they are breaking in the South China Sea. The US had nothing to do with it. And it's funny watching the Chinese flounder about complaining about stuff they wrote.
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I didn't know that about China and that law. I do know that if you read history, the Chinese had some interesting policies ... pretty much to the point that if you traded with them, they owned you which likely has to do with their claims of ownership in various places. The history of Okinawa before Okinawa was conquered and annexed by Japan is interesting. Okinawa wanted to trade with China, and to do so had to accept Chinese "ambassadors" or whatever they wanted to call themselves, Chinese influence, and even Chinese approval of a new emperor when the previous one died. I have no doubt that the Chinese would claim Okinawa today if Japan didn't have such a firm grip. The Chinese are simply reverting to their ancient roots to continue in their quest for world domination; they do it through trade if that's simpler than militarily occupying a weaker neighbor.
 
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AM64 said:
I didn't know that about China and that law. I do know that if you read history, the Chinese had some interesting policies ... pretty much to the point that if you traded with them, they owned you which likely has to do with their claims of ownership in various places. The history of Okinawa before Okinawa was conquered and annexed by Japan is interesting. Okinawa wanted to trade with China, and to do so had to accept Chinese "ambassadors" or whatever they wanted to call themselves, Chinese influence, and even Chinese approval of a new emperor when the previous one died. I have no doubt that the Chinese would claim Okinawa today if Japan didn't have such a firm grip. The Chinese are simply reverting to their ancient roots to continue in their quest for world domination; they do it through trade if that's simpler than militarily occupying a weaker neighbor.
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The deals they are doing now with nations are far worse than anything we ever dreamed of. They dangle the free stuff carrot but hide lean guarantees behind fancy words and end up owning parts of other countries on real long term "leases"
 
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The article doesn't mention China, but it's nodding its head in approval.



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Internet advocacy group Access Now, which is based in London, calculates that there were 188 shutdowns globally in 2018, up from 108 in 2017 and 75 in 2016. Over those three years 310 occurred in Asia and 46 in Africa. But it is in Africa where the trend appears to be growing most quickly, and where blackouts — when access is not just reduced but completely blocked — are becoming more common, said advocacy director, Melody Patry.
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LouderVol said:
The deals they are doing now with nations are far worse than anything we ever dreamed of. They dangle the free stuff carrot but hide lean guarantees behind fancy words and end up owning parts of other countries on real long term "leases"
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I really wish people would wake up to that. China runs the Panama Canal now and has gained some prime real estate around the Suez. Then there is the South China Sea stuff. It looks like they are thinking strategically about shipping and choke points. Then there is their overland part of the belt and road project. The insidious part is that China finds corruptible politicians that will sign on to projects that countries can't afford. When they default, China basically owns the country or at least important parts. I found a couple of years ago when we visited Cuba that China has several major infrastructure projects going there. Will we stand up to China and their arming of Cuba like we once did Russia? And with a propensity to elect people like Obama, I doubt it.
 
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AM64 said:
I really wish people would wake up to that. China runs the Panama Canal now and has gained some prime real estate around the Suez. Then there is the South China Sea stuff. It looks like they are thinking strategically about shipping and choke points. Then there is their overland part of the belt and road project. The insidious part is that China finds corruptible politicians that will sign on to projects that countries can't afford. When they default, China basically owns the country or at least important parts. I found a couple of years ago when we visited Cuba that China has several major infrastructure projects going there. Will we stand up to China and their arming of Cuba like we once did Russia? And with a propensity to elect people like Obama, I doubt it.
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Nicaragua, Sri Lanka, and I am sure a few others have already defaulted.

What makes the chinese so bad is they dont have to deliver on their side of it to collect. Nicaragua being a key example. They were supposed to get a canal, solar to run the country, and new infrastructure. They got like 10 miles of canal, 1 solar farm that the Chinese own and operate, and like 100 miles of road and internet along it.
 
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