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volprof said:
The anti-American hate by the loudmouth Internet fringe has gotten to the point that I might actually welcome the US no longer being the world hegemon solely for the opportunity to be the biggest loudmouth anti-whoever comes after us troll on the web.

I will make these current loudmouths look relatively sane in comparison. I will be the most obnoxious poster on the Internet, linking unfounded "research" and idiotic claims all day and all night.

The revenge will be bittersweet, but at least it will have been taken.
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Yeah, while I have issues with certain aspects of the US' foreign policy... the US has been the most benevolent hegemony in the history of the world.

If people want the Chinese ruling them, well, they can be my guest.
 
#178
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Terrible.

Chinese ship capsizes on Yangtze with hundreds missing - BBC News

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Weird stuff about this:

Hundreds missing after ship carrying 456 sinks in China's Yangtze River - LA Times

How does a boat get caught in a "cyclone" in the middle of a river?

According to a statement from the local government, crew members called for help around 11:51 p.m. after swimming to shore, more than two hours after the boat sank. State media did not explain the delay.
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??

Captain and crew members are most of the few survivors?

Rescue workers had told the broadcaster that they heard survivors in the ship’s hull yelling for help, but the state-run news agency said at 7:15 p.m. Tuesday that 19 people had been rescued, with 14 surviving.
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I saw footage of them listening for life. Why didn't they get a torch and cut through the hull? Were any divers doing anything?

Pictures posted online showed rescue workers in army fatigues and orange safety vests deploying small boats and standing on the ferry’s capsized hull. The rescue attempt has been obstructed by fog and rain, local news media reported.
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They can't rescue people because of fog? wut
 
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Velo Vol said:
Weird stuff about this:

Hundreds missing after ship carrying 456 sinks in China's Yangtze River - LA Times

How does a boat get caught in a "cyclone" in the middle of a river?



??

Captain and crew members are most of the few survivors?



I saw footage of them listening for life. Why didn't they get a torch and cut through the hull? Were any divers doing anything?



They can't rescue people because of fog? wut
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i've got a theory but without anything to back it up i won't go spouting it off. but lets just say i found it strange that most of the passengers were 50-80 years old, when those same people are not allowed to work...
 
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Velo Vol said:
50 year-olds can't work?
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interesting article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/business/global/27yuan.html?_r=0

The labor shortage is not benefiting workers just through higher wages. Personnel managers here say they are also abandoning the informal tradition of not hiring anyone over 35 — they say they are now hiring workers up to 40 years old, and sometimes older, despite concerns about whether they can keep up week after week with the rapid pace of Chinese assembly lines.
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again i wish i could find the nat geo article because it went into a lot of depth about their problems.

also extremely old article from 2010
 
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Safe to say in the diplomatic relations game china is what they call a ''bad actor". More disconcerting is their alliance with former foe russia. :question: Not to mention our huge tade imbalance with china. :ermm:
 
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We kept China from getting their assets handed to them by Japan in ww2. Less than a decade later they ensured we would hhave no victory in the Korean War and forced us to fall back and Establish the 38th parallel. Bunch of traitors and ingrates. I hope they fail and their economy collapses. All the products they manufacture are shoddy anyway. I will gladly pay more for better goods and watch their country fall apart.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Until?
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It's one thing to lose thousands of American dead to a just cause like WW2, but to lose them for no reason is getting old. I know you and your warmongering cohorts are ready to send your sons to Asia or Russia to fight for democracy.....aren't you?!
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's one thing to lose thousands of American dead to a just cause like WW2, but to lose them for no reason is getting old. I know you and your warmongering cohorts are ready to send your sons to Asia or Russia to fight for democracy.....aren't you?!
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America isn't going to war with China.
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's one thing to lose thousands of American dead to a just cause like WW2, but to lose them for no reason is getting old. I know you and your warmongering cohorts are ready to send your sons to Asia or Russia to fight for democracy.....aren't you?!
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I sometimes wonder about you.

You become more and more like a RT Op-Edge every time you post.
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's one thing to lose thousands of American dead to a just cause like WW2, but to lose them for no reason is getting old. I know you and your warmongering cohorts are ready to send your sons to Asia or Russia to fight for democracy.....aren't you?!
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how did we poke them this time? any "poking" we have done has been a lot less than they have done. and again we have international law on our side, an international law that China signed onto and helped form. china has been the aggressor in this particular conflict the whole time.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
We kept China from getting their assets handed to them by Japan in ww2. Less than a decade later they ensured we would hhave no victory in the Korean War and forced us to fall back and Establish the 38th parallel. Bunch of traitors and ingrates. I hope they fail and their economy collapses. All the products they manufacture are shoddy anyway. I will gladly pay more for better goods and watch their country fall apart.
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On the first point:

You really don't know your history. Japan took advantage of China when it was embroiled in a Civil War that started in 1927. Japan officially started war with China in 1937 after the civil war had claimed 2,000,000 military dead. There was a temporary ceasefire between the warring factions (Republic of China and the Communist Party) but they still were separated but against a common and greater foe.

China was bested by the Japanese early on but weren't losing by any means as by 1939 they were at an effective stalemate. 1941 and further just weighed the odds in the Chinese favor as the US started pushing against Japanese assets in the Pacific.

Losing battles early on is not an indication of overall strength. We lost Kasserine Pass pretty damned bad against the Germans and lost Coral Sea pretty bad against the Japanese. As well as the various other holdings throughout the Pacific. It took our burgeoning military the better of mid-1943 before we actually had the Japanese on the ropes. It was obviously another full 2 years before they were defeated.

Regardless, as soon as the war was over the Chinese were right back at their civil war. We backed the Republic of China under Chiang Kai-shek who were fighting the Peoples' Republic of China (communist) under Mao Zedong. The PoC were overwhelming in the early parts but lost favor and strength as the Soviets bolstered the PRC.

So, the government that opposed us in Korea and afterwards is not the one we helped out at all. It's like a European saying "We helped the Confederates in the US Civil War. How dare the US Government not be our undying friends decades later!!!".

But I agree with your other points. I'm exceedingly wary of China and the threat they pose to Pacific Realm stability as well as their manufacturing and education standards being very spotty at best.
 
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LouderVol said:
how did we poke them this time? any "poking" we have done has been a lot less than they have done. and again we have international law on our side, an international law that China signed onto and helped form. china has been the aggressor in this particular conflict the whole time.
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Let me help you.

China is not the aggressor, warmonger, violator of international law, and bully because China is not named "America."

Make sense now?
 
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LouderVol said:
been saying it for a while
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I wonder if China's recent attempts to establish the yuan as a reserve currency and to make itself "too big to fail" by making other nations far too dependent on its economy through such things as its new Asian bank, coupled with its overtly aggressive approach to regional territorial disputes/claims that seems (at least when Chinese officials speak about it publicly) to have no clear direction and lacks transparency, is a sign that the CCP is aware that the bubble is just about to burst.

Oh, obligatory #pivoteast and #wrongsideofhistory
 
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Velo Vol said:
I'm no boating expert, but this sinking and the "rescue" are fraught with suspicion. If this were an American ship I'd head to RT for the best conspiracy theories.

Families' anger grows in wake of China cruise ship sinking | World news | The Guardian
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What a weird country.

You have to believe had it not been for American politicians and corporations propping China up, making life under the CCP tolerable, the Chinese people would have went on a long walk in the streets together years ago.

The smartest thing the CCP ever did to ensure its longevity was ditching Marx.
 
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