Chinese spy balloon hovering over Montana

[KB5252]

I don't know if it did and neither does anyone else. Nor does anyone know why the US is choosing the path it is.

It's easy to take pot shots at Biden over this, and of course the usual suspects are whining he's weak. But fact is no one knows enough to say.

That's the problem entirely, it's too easy. The entire world knows he's a lame duck leader, propped up, unable to follow and intelligently reply to complex situations and literally no one believes he's making decisions at the highest levels.

I've considered presidents for years as little more than figureheads and puppets but Biden certainly is, without question.

 

[OrangeTsar]

So, you distrust the government and everything they do but are willing to trust them for this?

and by the way I expect you to study up and answer my questions

You “expect” me to do what you tell me? . Man, you ARE an authoritarian Democrat aren’t you?????

 

[hog88]

No, I was pointing out that despite being a know it all orange tsar is blissfully ignorant

You failed in your attempt.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don't know if it did and neither does anyone else. Nor does anyone know why the US is choosing the path it is.

It's easy to take pot shots at Biden over this, and of course the usual suspects are whining he's weak. But fact is no one knows enough to say.

LOL, I'm sure you'd show the same level of restraint had it happened under the Trump administration.

 

[hog88]

When is the last time a Canadian shot anything?

Longest kill shot in history belongs to a Canadian sniper.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I didn't say the government doesn't know where it is. I said you don't know where it is.

So what, I am not the one shooting it down am I? I mean the military can wait until it is over a safe zone and then shoot it down. You folks are making this thing way too complicated. This ain’t plotting a gravity assist at mars to get to Jupiter or anything

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Well, if it is a float spy sack, I figure the Chinnies are following our fine example. The USA invaded the aerial sovereignty of Russia, China, and even some of our allies with impunity when we could get away with it. When the Soviets knocked ole Gary Powers out of his U-2, we just switched over to the SR-71. Until its ability to either outrun or out climb the missiles of its day. As for USA's innocence, we use balloons to spy on our citizens. Point? If we want to point fingers, each time you do, three of your fingers point in your own direction.

--https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55947541
--https://www.reuters.com/world/high-altitude-spy-balloons-old-concept-new-applications-2023-02-03/
--https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/military-tension-up-as-us-planes-intrude-into-china-airspace-during-drills/story-HYy2s6nnU59dZHf1vpeH0H.html
--https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/politics/spy-planes-george-floyd-protests/index.html

 

[InVOLuntary]

If I had known about it, I surely would have been outraged. What about you?

NO, I would be ok with Chinese spy balloon drones if it were a republican in charge.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Longest kill shot in history belongs to a Canadian sniper.

Longest that we KNOW of anyway

 

[OrangeTsar]

No, I was pointing out that despite being a know it all orange tsar is blissfully ignorant

You misapprehend me sir

 

[OrangeTsar]

When is the last time a Canadian shot anything?

1983

 

[Matt2496]

They’ve spotted it over Kansas City, Missouri now.

 

[KB5252]

Well, if it is a float spy sack, I figure the Chinnies are following our fine example. The USA invaded the aerial sovereignty of Russia, China, and even some of our allies with impunity when we could get away with it. When the Soviets knocked ole Gary Powers out of his U-2, we just switched over to the SR-71. Until its ability to either outrun or out climb the missiles of its day. As for USA's innocence, we use balloons to spy on our citizens. Point? If we want to point fingers, each time you do, three of your fingers point in your own direction.

--https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55947541
--https://www.reuters.com/world/high-altitude-spy-balloons-old-concept-new-applications-2023-02-03/
--https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/military-tension-up-as-us-planes-intrude-into-china-airspace-during-drills/story-HYy2s6nnU59dZHf1vpeH0H.html
--https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/politics/spy-planes-george-floyd-protests/index.html

Why stop there? Let's go so the way back to feudal China and the nobles use of spies. The whatabout is one of the weakest arguments that can be posited, because you can always go further back.

The point is it's a wreckless time to do something of this nature and the only reason to do it out is to provocate. Spy satellites are capable of just about any information they could get from that balloon. The only reason to do this is to whip up the public..... The question is what does China have to gain? Why?

 

[KB5252]

They’ve spotted it over Kansas City, Missouri now.

Much further south than I would have thought. Looks like it's going to take it over us in Tennessee maybe.

 

[OrangeBoro]

It's going to be here for a few days, it's all good nothing to worry about per the biden regime. I don't know about you all but I feel much better now

 

[volinbham]

presumably it will follow the jet stream

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

Much further south than I would have thought. Looks like it's going to take it over us in Tennessee maybe.

Pentagon general said it was maneuverable. They may drive it over the white house.

 

[hndog609]

Well, if it is a float spy sack, I figure the Chinnies are following our fine example. The USA invaded the aerial sovereignty of Russia, China, and even some of our allies with impunity when we could get away with it. When the Soviets knocked ole Gary Powers out of his U-2, we just switched over to the SR-71. Until its ability to either outrun or out climb the missiles of its day. As for USA's innocence, we use balloons to spy on our citizens. Point? If we want to point fingers, each time you do, three of your fingers point in your own direction.

--https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55947541
--https://www.reuters.com/world/high-altitude-spy-balloons-old-concept-new-applications-2023-02-03/
--https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/military-tension-up-as-us-planes-intrude-into-china-airspace-during-drills/story-HYy2s6nnU59dZHf1vpeH0H.html
--https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/politics/spy-planes-george-floyd-protests/index.html

The boldened is the most important part regarding this incident. The question is not, has not or will not be what X country is willing to attempt. That's just geopolitics. What we're observing now is a fully acknowledged piece of Chinese tech blissfully floating in US airspace unmolested.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Longest kill shot in history belongs to a Canadian sniper.

Marc Lepine?

 

[volinbham]

can't believe Orange Tsar hasn't posted this yet

 

[Gandalf]

Well, if it is a float spy sack, I figure the Chinnies are following our fine example. The USA invaded the aerial sovereignty of Russia, China, and even some of our allies with impunity when we could get away with it. When the Soviets knocked ole Gary Powers out of his U-2, we just switched over to the SR-71. Until its ability to either outrun or out climb the missiles of its day. As for USA's innocence, we use balloons to spy on our citizens. Point? If we want to point fingers, each time you do, three of your fingers point in your own direction.

--https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55947541
--https://www.reuters.com/world/high-altitude-spy-balloons-old-concept-new-applications-2023-02-03/
--https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/military-tension-up-as-us-planes-intrude-into-china-airspace-during-drills/story-HYy2s6nnU59dZHf1vpeH0H.html
--https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/politics/spy-planes-george-floyd-protests/index.html

Fortunately we can all count on WoodsmanVol to remind us how evil America is (not its uber progressive government, mind you, just America itself). Arent you late for tea with Jane Fonda?

 

[KB5252]

Pentagon general said it was maneuverable. They may drive it over the white house.

If it's maneuverable then I think you have to shoot it down. China can't say this was an accident then. The fact we aren't calling them out publicly is weak.

 

[StarRaider]

They’ve spotted it over Kansas City, Missouri now.

Chinese spy balloon forecast to fly over these states in the next few hours

Other predictions suggest it will then travel over Kentucky and Tennessee, and toward the border between the Carolinas. Weather patterns are subject to change, and so the path of the balloon could alter in the coming days from the predicted trajectory.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Why stop there? Let's go so the way back to feudal China and the nobles use of spies. The whatabout is one of the weakest arguments that can be posited, because you can always go further back.
The point is it's a wreckless time to do something of this nature and the only reason to do it out is to provocate. Spy satellites are capable of just about any information they could get from that balloon. The only reason to do this is to whip up the public..... The question is what does China have to gain? Why?

And my, well, two points are: 1. It's nothing new. 2. We are just as guilty as the Chinnies, indeed our example taught them to pull off such shenanigans. It's no different than when at one point, the USA told the DPRK, if you make the wrong move, North Korea will cease to exist. So NK, went all out to copy us by developing and deploying their own nukes. Guess what? All we did was provide them a fine example on being a a Duke Nukem bully. No it's no surprise the Chinnies have also taken chapter from our own book.
North Korea warns of 'all-out' nuclear weapons response to 'threats' from U.S., allies I'm not whatabouting as certain factions in the forum do. I'm expounding the truth of the adage that what sow is what you reap.