Chinese spy balloon hovering over Montana

[volfanhill]

No, no, I get it. I'm saying that, let's assume there have been a dozen of these over the years, over several administrations, would it be unusual that they would start being treated as not noteworthy if they were very minor in those prior instances?

And I get the argument that none is minor, but I doubt the President or his primary advisors are alerted every time anything at all occurs in that world. They have to exercise some discretion as to what to pass on so as not to overload him with minor things and miss the big picture. See e.g. terrorists might use planes to hit buildings getting lost in the noise.

I would freaking hope every time our Airspace is unlawfully entered by a foreign country that bells ring all the way to the top. How often do you think our airspace is knowingly breached by a foreign country. Hell we scramble jets when they get close just to deter it.

 

[DaddyChad]

Are you being serious? No foreign military/surveillance incursion into our airspace is a minor event and every one should be brought to the CiCs attention. What if the 1 minor incursion just happened to be an attack?

I mean the argument is that they can spy on us from orbit and this is no different. That’s complete and utter BS though. I’m not going full blown conspiracy theory and saying the Chinese were planning to attack us but that’s also not saying that someone couldn’t if they chose to.

 

[hndog609]

There has never been a President who didn't blame his predecessor for the biggest problems facing his administration.

Barack Obama blamed the economy on GWB for most of his two terms ...

.... and Donald Trump blamed a lack of COVID tests on Obama - even though the COVID pandemic did not emerge until January of 2020, which was a full 3 years into Trump's presidency.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/cor...-responsibility-at-all-for-lack-of-tests.html

So are you positing this administration's lack of action regarding this incident is based on precedent they've accepted from the prior one? That simply doesn't make sense IMO. There is no reason of any kind (that I can see) where anything before offers any kind of coverage for the inaction now.

 

[DaddyChad]

I would freaking hope every time our Airspace is unlawfully entered by a foreign country that bells ring all the way to the top. How often do you think our airspace is knowingly breached by a foreign country. Hell we scramble jets when they get close just to deter it.

This.

And this wasn’t a manned craft either. They could’ve easily shot this down with no loss of life before it crossed the country.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

A world in which it is cheaper to catch, process, and freeze fish in China and then ship it across the pacific then across the us by rail and semi than it is to fish off Newfoundland or the Pacific Coast is so illogical to me

I think it has to do with globalization. Tie all the currencies together, first via trade agreements, then later by collaborative decree.
Revelation 13:16 -17

 

[ClearwaterVol]

This.

And this wasn’t a manned craft either. They could’ve easily shot this down with no loss of life before it crossed the country.

Maybe it was better for intelligence not to shoot it down.

“Every day as a NORAD commander, it’s my responsibility to detect threats to North America. I will tell you that we did not detect those threats,” Gen. Glen VanHerck, commander of US Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command said when asked about the three other balloons.

“There was a potential opportunity for us to collect intel where we had gaps on prior balloons,” he said. “And so I would defer to the intel community. But this gave us the opportunity to assess what they were actually doing, what kind of capabilities existed on the balloon, what kind of transmission capabilities existed, and I think you’ll see in the future that that timeframe was well worth its value to collect over.”

 

[Wireless1]

So what happens when India launches dozens of unmanned “meteorological” hydrogen filled aircraft that happen to float over critical Chinese strategic sites? China should give them a pass, right?

 

[DaddyChad]

Normally, I'd agree with you on this. However, given Trump's unpredictable and questionable mental competency, I can see them withholding information. Trump said wind turbines cause cancer, he showed he would rather believe Putin and the Russian intelligence community than our own CIA and FBI, suggested ingesting bleach to fight COVID, and other wild, false, and crazy statements. They probably feared he'd order a nuclear strike on China due to a balloon over-flight. As a matter-of-fact, Joint Chiefs Chair Mark Milley and China both feared Trump would do just that, simply because he lost the election. Even our allies opted to withhold intelligence from Trump, as they didn't trust him to not hand it over to the Russians. Simply put, he was too much of a wild card. So I have no doubt, not just the balloons, but other stuff was necessarily kept from Trump as well.

Interesting. Honestly I think either candidate from either party should be mentally sound before they take office and that should be beyond question. Our whole election process is somewhat lacking in putting the best, most capable person in office. I think that’s about the only thing most republicans and democrats can agree on.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Maybe it was better for intelligence not to shoot it down.

“Every day as a NORAD commander, it’s my responsibility to detect threats to North America. I will tell you that we did not detect those threats,” Gen. Glen VanHerck, commander of US Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command said when asked about the three other balloons.

“There was a potential opportunity for us to collect intel where we had gaps on prior balloons,” he said. “And so I would defer to the intel community. But this gave us the opportunity to assess what they were actually doing, what kind of capabilities existed on the balloon, what kind of transmission capabilities existed, and I think you’ll see in the future that that timeframe was well worth its value to collect over.”

In other words, we wanted to see what the burglar was going to take and how he was going to go about it. But we arrested him shortly after he pawned all of the victims belongings. Got it!
In practical terms, any intel we gained about China’s technical capabilities became obsolete the minute we captured it as China was able to see what intel we captured so they could create countermeasures on the next balloon. Absolute unconscionable idiocy.

 

[OrangeTsar]

So what happens when India launches dozens of unmanned “meteorological” hydrogen filled aircraft that happen to float over critical Chinese strategic sites? China should give them a pass, right?

Especially if India used there

 

[illumiVOLi]

I think it has to do with globalization. Tie all the currencies together, first via trade agreements, then later by collaborative decree.
Revelation 13:16 -17

yeah it’s all about New World order, ESG, global governance, global currency, bend over and take it. And I’m supposed to believe your a woodsman.

 

[RikidyBones]

I simply don't believe there were 3 others. They've changed their story. First it was it happened. Then Trump wasn't told. Then it was discovered after he left that it happened. Next step should have been the first in that it didn't happen.

 

[DaddyChad]

In other words, we wanted to see what the burglar was going to take and how he was going to go about it. But we arrested him shortly after he pawned all of the victims belongings. Got it!
In practical terms, any intel we gained about China’s technical capabilities became obsolete the minute we captured it as China was able to see what intel we captured so they could create countermeasures on the next balloon. Absolute unconscionable idiocy.

Worse than that. Assess what kind of capabilities? Gaps in prior knowledge? So the guy thought it would be okay to although this unknown threat into our airspace for a few days? What if it actually was weaponized somehow?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

In other words, we wanted to see what the burglar was going to take and how he was going to go about it. But we arrested him shortly after he pawned all of the victims belongings. Got it!
In practical terms, any intel we gained about China’s technical capabilities became obsolete the minute we captured it as China was able to see what intel we captured so they could create countermeasures on the next balloon. Absolute unconscionable idiocy.

So, you know we weren't jamming the balloon's transmission capabilities. You continually talk out of your a$$.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I would freaking hope every time our Airspace is unlawfully entered by a foreign country that bells ring all the way to the top. How often do you think our airspace is knowingly breached by a foreign country. Hell we scramble jets when they get close just to deter it.

True dat

 

[DaddyChad]

I simply don't believe there were 3 others. They've changed their story. First it was it happened. Then Trump wasn't told. Then it was discovered after he left that it happened. Next step should have been the first in that it didn't happen.

Don’t care if it happened in Trumps presidency or not. They knew about this one, the response should’ve been quickly decided. Biden yet again appears to be indecisive and weak.

 

[BreatheUT]

Because one the progressives wanted to use as a political football?

 

[TN Ribs]

In other words, we wanted to see what the burglar was going to take and how he was going to go about it. But we arrested him shortly after he pawned all of the victims belongings. Got it!
In practical terms, any intel we gained about China’s technical capabilities became obsolete the minute we captured it as China was able to see what intel we captured so they could create countermeasures on the next balloon. Absolute unconscionable idiocy.

So we should rely on the expertise of some random dude who spends his time whining on a message board over the expertise of a NORAD Commander. Now that would be absolute unconscionable idiocy.

 

[OrangeTsar]

So, you know we weren't jamming the balloon's transmission capabilities. You continually talk out of your a$$.

I am sure we thought we were jamming the transmissions. Just how do you recommend we are certain that our “jamming” was effective? Should we stroll on over to Beijing and ask the PLA how we did?
There was one way certain to block the transmission though.

 

[VolStrom]

Don’t care if it happened in Trumps presidency or not. They knew about this one, the response should’ve been quickly decided. Biden yet again appears to be indecisive and weak.

It's because he is owned by the Chinese. If they wanted to gather intelligence, all he had to do was say that and insure the public that they had it under control, and they were surveilling it, and it was not sending data back to the motherland. Instead, he kept quiet and didn't say a word, Biden is worthless.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Interesting. Honestly I think either candidate from either party should be mentally sound before they take office and that should be beyond question. Our whole election process is somewhat lacking in putting the best, most capable person in office. I think that’s about the only thing most republicans and democrats can agree on.

Unfortunately, our society has become rotten to the core. It matters not whether you're talking day-to-day interactions (witness the rise of bigoted Karens), or twisting of the Christian message into a justification to hate and condemn. We had plenty of warning about Trump when he openly talked about sexual exploitation of women (grab them by the pushy), and his horrid attacks on Ted Cruz, his papa, and even his wife. But the Republiars only saw him surge in popularity, and thus a chance for them to be more in power politically, morals be daymed. We knew what he was before he was in office. It was made further evident by watching Melanie on the platform prior to Trump's swearing in. Whatever it was he said to her was like a bullet to the heart, evident in her face and body language. We knew, but lacked the guts to prevent his being put in office.

Last video at the bottom of this page, I'll never forget that woman's face and body language on that day. Melania Trump Frowning Video: What Did Trump Say to Melania at the Inauguration?

 

[hog88]

In other words, we wanted to see what the burglar was going to take and how he was going to go about it. But we arrested him shortly after he pawned all of the victims belongings. Got it!
In practical terms, any intel we gained about China’s technical capabilities became obsolete the minute we captured it as China was able to see what intel we captured so they could create countermeasures on the next balloon. Absolute unconscionable idiocy.

And we have the head of NORAD saying they missed 3 other incursions.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So are you positing this administration's lack of action regarding this incident is based on precedent they've accepted from the prior one? That simply doesn't make sense IMO. There is no reason of any kind (that I can see) where anything before offers any kind of coverage for the inaction now.

No, I'm just saying that whenever adversity hits, most Presidents prefer to talk about the last guy. I admit Obama was as guilty of that as anyone.

 

[hog88]

So, you know we weren't jamming the balloon's transmission capabilities. You continually talk out of your a$$.

Do you know that we were? Do we have the capability to jam communications at that altitude 24 hrs a day for 5 days?

 

[VolStrom]

And we have the head of NORAD saying they missed 3 other incursions.

Hell, Russia knew when we were flying the U-2 spy plane over their country over 50 years ago and it flew higher than this balloon and was much smaller. I don't believe anyone that says we didn't know China was flying a small aircraft carrier over our country at 65k feet.