City of Knoxville: Neyland Stadium beer vendor responsible for unruly fans, should face consequences

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DeerPark12 said:
Read between the lines here. New Athletics Director inherits terrible, long-term contract that the AD three ADs ago extended on his way out the door. Little known clause in the contract prevents UT from putting pouring rights out for bid until at least 2027. Meaning the beer sales are far less lucrative at Tennessee than they are at other schools.

If Aramark has its license suspended or revoked, it would allow Tennessee to cancel the overall contract and negotiate with a new provider. Looks to me like someone is playing chess here with the parameters of the bad contract.
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How did Dave Hart EXTEND a contract for Alcohol when it was at least 3 years before alcohol was approved by the SEC?
 
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City goons employing mafioso tactics to extract more money from the university AD.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Read between the lines here. New Athletics Director inherits terrible, long-term contract that the AD three ADs ago extended on his way out the door. Little known clause in the contract prevents UT from putting pouring rights out for bid until at least 2027. Meaning the beer sales are far less lucrative at Tennessee than they are at other schools.

If Aramark has its license suspended or revoked, it would allow Tennessee to cancel the overall contract and negotiate with a new provider. Looks to me like someone is playing chess here with the parameters of the bad contract.
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If I read the article correctly (near the end)the school won’t be allowed to have beer sold at football games for a year. The school was getting 50% of the revenue.
 
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Jravol78 said:
Damnit Janet .

I grew up in Franklin and every Saturday @ 12a.m. They showed TRHPS @ the old Franklin cinema (pre renovation ).

Franklin was still so podunk back then that our main entertainment was cruising the square (now illegal ) and gawking at the folk dressed up to watch TRHPS every Friday night @midnight .

Bunch of Franklin High , BGA, Page , Fairview dudes riding around in circles all night . The Brentwood and BA kids were mainly too sophisticated for such however they would occasionally venture “downtown “ to see what all the fuss was about .

Any other native Williamson Co folks recall this ???

#GregAmsler ??
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In Winchester, the route was between the bowling alley, around the courthouse, down the boulevard to the grill (occasionally stopping for mixer), yell at someone, then back up the boulevard and (with mixer secured), maybe to the Cowan skating rink if a band was playing.
 
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kyvol98 said:
How did Dave Hart EXTEND a contract for Alcohol when it was at least 3 years before alcohol was approved by the SEC?
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Dave Hart extended the concessions contract with Aramark, which still had five or six years left on it, before he left. One of the clauses in that contract, which actually appeared on the original one signed in 2012, stipulated that Aramark would have exclusive rights to sell alcohol if changes were made to SEC policy, which prevented alcohol sales at the time.

That clause did not appear in most schools’ concessions contracts, but did in others. It’s one reason you saw Alabama wait a year longer to sell alcohol, they waited for a concessions contract to expire, then sold pouring rights to a company before negotiating the concessions contract. So Alabama makes 75% of every beer sold, where Tennessee is stuck with the same 50% they get on hotdogs.
 
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Raebo said:
If I read the article correctly (near the end)the school won’t be allowed to have beer sold at football games for a year. The school was getting 50% of the revenue.
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Not if they cancel this contract quickly enough and the new vendor gets its application fast-tracked, which would absolutely happen based on the tax revenue we’re talking about here.

Even if it was slowly processed and they miss a couple of games, a contract that gives Tennessee a 75% split instead of a 50% split will come out even by the end of football season, and still well ahead by the time you get through basketball in spring sports.

Again, think about the situation critically. As several people have pointed out, three underage sales in nearly a million transactions over the course of a year is not a bad ratio. The beer board would have discretion to point that out and move one. Instead, they are making a mountain out of less than 10 violations, and coupling those violations with not only unruly behavior inside the stadium, but arrests and incidents on campus on game day that occur before the stadium even opens to sell alcohol. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what’s going on here. They don’t do things like that normally, and they certainly don’t do it out of nowhere. Which means there is more to this
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Not if they cancel this contract quickly enough and the new vendor gets its application fast-tracked, which would absolutely happen based on the tax revenue we’re talking about here.

Even if it was slowly processed and they miss a couple of games, a contract that gives Tennessee a 75% split instead of a 50% split will come out even by the end of football season, and still well ahead by the time you get through basketball in spring sports.

Again, think about the situation critically. As several people have pointed out, three underage sales in nearly a million transactions over the course of a year is not a bad ratio. The beer board would have discretion to point that out and move one. Instead, they are making a mountain out of less than 10 violations, and coupling those violations with not only unruly behavior inside the stadium, but arrests and incidents on campus on game day that occur before the stadium even opens to sell alcohol. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what’s going on here. They don’t do things like that normally, and they certainly don’t do it out of nowhere. Which means there is more to this
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Your statistical approach is incorrect. It's not three out of a million transactions. It's three out of however many events the undercovers tried, multiplied by whatever the number of real-world underage attempts there were to purchase.

Using example numbers, if undercovers got served in 3 of 20 attempts, that's a 15% "success" rate for underage attempts. For every 1,000 underage kids that tried to buy beer, that would mean 150 were successful.

We don't know the actual violation rate. The only thing we can say for sure is that 3/1,000,000 is the absolute lowest number. It would assume the undercovers screened every single one of a million underage attempts, and Aramark only failed three times.
 
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deezvols said:
Elected officials don’t have a brain, it’s a prerequisite for the job.
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“Every nation has the government it deserves”
- Joseph de Maistre

I always assume the people making statements like yours aren't voting in local elections or primaries 99% of the time, or if they are, are just looking at the letter at the end of the name to see if it matches the one they've pre-decided going in.
 
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BanditVol said:
Underage drinking definitely on the vendor. 3 cases out of the .... roughly 2 million or so fans in there over 3 years doesn't seem so awful though.

As for the unruly behavior of fans being the fault of Aramark, fans have been unruly as long as I have been going to games, for sure.

I personally got in a fist fight when I was 22 lol.

If they are selling multiple beers to one person maybe the city has a gripe. I guess there could be a one beer per customer per visit rule.

Seems like the city is overreacting to me.
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I just can't believe there has ever been underage drinking in the city of Knoxville or the UT Campus..... Oh My !!!!!!
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Tnslim1 said:
It seems Aramark isn't paying enough under the table $$ to the mayor and crew. They want another more obliging vendor. The common answer is to always follow the money.
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More like they’re a cheap, crappy organization that the university would like to be gone sooner rather than later.
 
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WilcoVolsFan said:
“Every nation has the government it deserves”
- Joseph de Maistre

I always assume the people making statements like yours aren't voting in local elections or primaries 99% of the time, or if they are, are just looking at the letter at the end of the name to see if it matches the one they've pre-decided going in.
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You also apparently assume that there’s a single person on that ticket that has a brain. Quite the assumption.
 
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2VolsDeep said:
Car manufacturers should be responsible for bad drivers.
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Not really. The state should be responsible for granting license to bad drivers. And not getting them off the road when repetitive traffic violations, DUIs, and collisions occur. Now, about drinking, and getting drunk at games, it's a tradition. Maybe a dumb one, but still a tradition. Underage drinkers? Umm, fine the vendors and dropkick the kiddrinks out the stadium.

Personally, I'd be more worried about liquored up drivers leaving the game and happens as a result.
 
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deezvols said:
You also apparently assume that there’s a single person on that ticket that has a brain. Quite the assumption.
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You should run for office then since you have all the answers and clearly an engaged citizen who participates and has a detailed understanding and grasp of the issues. Certainly not the usual idiot who makes the generic "they all suck" type comment out of ignorance and thinks he's said something profound.
 
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WilcoVolsFan said:
You should run for office then since you have all the answers and clearly an engaged citizen who participates and has a detailed understanding and grasp of the issues. Certainly not the usual idiot who makes the generic "they all suck" type comment out of ignorance and thinks he's said something profound.
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“All elected officials are brainless”
“You should run for office”
you must be one of those elected officials…
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Dave Hart extended the concessions contract with Aramark, which still had five or six years left on it, before he left. One of the clauses in that contract, which actually appeared on the original one signed in 2012, stipulated that Aramark would have exclusive rights to sell alcohol if changes were made to SEC policy, which prevented alcohol sales at the time.

That clause did not appear in most schools’ concessions contracts, but did in others. It’s one reason you saw Alabama wait a year longer to sell alcohol, they waited for a concessions contract to expire, then sold pouring rights to a company before negotiating the concessions contract. So Alabama makes 75% of every beer sold, where Tennessee is stuck with the same 50% they get on hotdogs.
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Appreciate the clarification.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Read between the lines here. New Athletics Director inherits terrible, long-term contract that the AD three ADs ago extended on his way out the door. Little known clause in the contract prevents UT from putting pouring rights out for bid until at least 2027. Meaning the beer sales are far less lucrative at Tennessee than they are at other schools.

If Aramark has its license suspended or revoked, it would allow Tennessee to cancel the overall contract and negotiate with a new provider. Looks to me like someone is playing chess here with the parameters of the bad contract.
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My, my... that can happen? Who'd a thunk it?
 
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