City of Knoxville: Neyland Stadium beer vendor responsible for unruly fans, should face consequences

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DeerPark12 said:
Read between the lines here. New Athletics Director inherits terrible, long-term contract that the AD three ADs ago extended on his way out the door. Little known clause in the contract prevents UT from putting pouring rights out for bid until at least 2027. Meaning the beer sales are far less lucrative at Tennessee than they are at other schools.

If Aramark has its license suspended or revoked, it would allow Tennessee to cancel the overall contract and negotiate with a new provider. Looks to me like someone is playing chess here with the parameters of the bad contract.
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Might want to check if any City of Knoxville government personnel would benefit financially from a new contract.
 
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Someone please help me understand this. I live in Georgia. Does the city of Knoxville have an adversarial relationship with the University? I know UGA and Clarke county are constantly at each other's throats. Do the people in the local government have a Napoleon complex? Are the elected or appointed officials grossly ignorant? Is there history of corruption in the issuance of alcohol licenses? Are board members ticked the University went with a company with a history of serving large venues instead of someone's brother-in-law?

This is being reported on a national level now. This is another self inflicted embarrassment on a grand stage by the people of Tennessee. From what I understand the city government set out on an entrapment program by having underage people try to purchase beer. Three of these agents were sold beer. I understand recorded attendance at Neyland was 703,726 this season. That is .00000426%. Where is the disconnect here? The only thing I can think of to self-inflict this kind of grief would be the Napoleon and/or abject ignorance situations.

EDIT: I am seriously asking. Also, is the University party to this action or just Aramark? If UT were to be a party, whose prevue would that fall under (athletics, facilities, other)? Thank you. This just seems to go a little farther than greasing palms to me.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
I get that Knoxville has nailed other bars for serving underage patrons (myriad bars on the strip serve as an example), flouting COVID-19 restrictions (Paul's Oasis) or just being generally-unsafe hellholes (Hatmaker's), but three underage sale citations in a venue as large and with as much volume as Neyland seems fairly insignificant.
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This is nothing more than a local government trying to get their piece of the $2M pie.
It’s all about $$$
Did you know that when these businesses lose or have their license suspended, they can still serve liquor? They pay hefty fines and then get their license back to serve beer.
The liquor tax is much higher than beer, so the state doesn’t want to lose that revenue.
It’s all a ridiculous game.
Neyland will still be selling beer, guaranteed.
Someone will get their pockets padded and all will be forgotten.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Read between the lines here. New Athletics Director inherits terrible, long-term contract that the AD three ADs ago extended on his way out the door. Little known clause in the contract prevents UT from putting pouring rights out for bid until at least 2027. Meaning the beer sales are far less lucrative at Tennessee than they are at other schools.

If Aramark has its license suspended or revoked, it would allow Tennessee to cancel the overall contract and negotiate with a new provider. Looks to me like someone is playing chess here with the parameters of the bad contract.
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Ha, Aramark is getting Pruitted!
😎
 
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You don’t even have to sneak it in. I watched a lady in front of us with a clear UT bag walk right through the gate with like 10+ fireball shots in the bottom. She had a jacket sitting on top and the fireball right underneath. You could see it clearly through the bag. I was shocked.
 
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Jake Tate said:
You don’t even have to sneak it in. I watched a lady in front of us with a clear UT bag walk right through the gate with like 10+ fireball shots in the bottom. She had a jacket sitting on top and the fireball right underneath. You could see it clearly through the bag. I was shocked.
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Yeah, tuck some bottles in a pocket, put the jacket in the clear bag. They don't check those bags
 
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Politicians/Officials like to place blame everywhere (except themselves of course) instead of solving the problem. If the vendor was negligent that is fine but it needs to be proven they did not rectify employee behavior or institute policy/operating procedure. Individuals who were not doing their job or managers allowing it to happen need to be addressed.

My main complaint here is the lack of individual responsibility! If you are underage and choose to drink that is on you. If you act foolishly while doing drinking (at any age).... also on you.

Saying the vendor's alleged negligence caused bad behavior is like saying a Pilot station is responsible for a traffic accident. They supplied the fuel, sure. They can't drive the truck for the driver though.....
 
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Kinda of reminds me of the contracted prison systems. Always blame the other guy. I mean a drunk is a drunk is a drunk is a drunk.
 
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Tman44 said:
Someone please help me understand this. I live in Georgia. Does the city of Knoxville have an adversarial relationship with the University? I know UGA and Clarke county are constantly at each other's throats. Do the people in the local government have a Napoleon complex? Are the elected or appointed officials grossly ignorant? Is there history of corruption in the issuance of alcohol licenses? Are board members ticked the University went with a company with a history of serving large venues instead of someone's brother-in-law?

This is being reported on a national level now. This is another self inflicted embarrassment on a grand stage by the people of Tennessee. From what I understand the city government set out on an entrapment program by having underage people try to purchase beer. Three of these agents were sold beer. I understand recorded attendance at Neyland was 703,726 this season. That is .00000426%. Where is the disconnect here? The only thing I can think of to self-inflict this kind of grief would be the Napoleon and/or abject ignorance situations.

EDIT: I am seriously asking. Also, is the University party to this action or just Aramark? If UT were to be a party, whose prevue would that fall under (athletics, facilities, other)? Thank you. This just seems to go a little farther than greasing palms to me.
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It's not 3 out of 705,000.

It's 3 out of however many attempts the undercover agents made. That becomes Aramark's "failure rate" when presented with underage attempts.
 
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Wait what? what are these people smoking?

Fact anyone that's rowdy and disruptive in the stadium would be the same if Aramark was selling beer or not... they sneak it in or just get hammered before the game. Simple solution when someone starts showing their butts boot em. That should be true if there is beer sold in the stadium or not.
 
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The issue is not the beer. The issue is they should come up with a way to limit the intake. Maybe some sort of wrist band that gets updated or something. I personally am not going to pay $13 for a beer. But, I have seen fans buy 8 or 10 during a game.
 
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pimo1 said:
Wait what? what are these people smoking?

Fact anyone that's rowdy and disruptive in the stadium would be the same if Aramark was selling beer or not... they sneak it in or just get hammered before the game. Simple solution when someone starts showing their butts boot em. That should be true if there is beer sold in the stadium or not.
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This could be examined by comparing behavior records in the stadium in the years before and after beer sales started.

One hypothesis is that people who drink heavily before the game are also more likely to continue to buy beer once at the game....and so this portion of the population gets "wetter", instead of drier, during a game. 🤷‍♂️
 
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PayingUTKTuition said:
The issue is not the beer. The issue is they should come up with a way to limit the intake. Maybe some sort of wrist band that gets updated or something. I personally am not going to pay $13 for a beer. But, I have seen fans buy 8 or 10 during a game.
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I honestly don’t see how they have time to buy 8 or 10 a game. Those beer lines are 30 minutes.
 
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Jravol78 said:
Damnit Janet .

I grew up in Franklin and every Saturday @ 12a.m. They showed TRHPS @ the old Franklin cinema (pre renovation ).

Franklin was still so podunk back then that our main entertainment was cruising the square (now illegal ) and gawking at the folk dressed up to watch TRHPS every Friday night @midnight .

Bunch of Franklin High , BGA, Page , Fairview dudes riding around in circles all night . The Brentwood and BA kids were mainly too sophisticated for such however they would occasionally venture “downtown “ to see what all the fuss was about .

Any other native Williamson Co folks recall this ???

#GregAmsler ??
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Embarrassing to admit but I can’t drive by a small country church without starting to sing that song
 
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1. Anyone who needs a beer to get excited or enjoy a UT game needs to rethink their drinking habits.

2. Banning alcohol sales will only lead to more “bootlegging” and organized crime 😂
 
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BanditVol said:
Underage drinking definitely on the vendor. 3 cases out of the .... roughly 2 million or so fans in there over 3 years doesn't seem so awful though.

As for the unruly behavior of fans being the fault of Aramark, fans have been unruly as long as I have been going to games, for sure.

I personally got in a fist fight when I was 22 lol.

If they are selling multiple beers to one person maybe the city has a gripe. I guess there could be a one beer per customer per visit rule.

Seems like the city is overreacting to me.
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It was 3 underage informants of which they are just a few. They purposely are hired to TEST the vendor. If 3 of these were served (think of it as a sting operation) then MANY more non sting minors had to be served as well. They don’t go tell on themselves. Geez
 
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