Clawfense crushes previously unbeaten N Illinois

[DeepSpringsVol]

There's only one with a HC gig, and that is a gig no one really cares about.

His tree is rather fruitless.

I loved Philip but knew his time had come and gone. He was successful off his NATIONAL recruiting charm. Once other schools started keeping their talent in state, he never could adjust as there typically isn't enough SEC talent in Tennessee alone. My point was that his assistants didn't learn scheming from him as he was very Vanilla. When it comes to assistants recruiting you either have the knack or you don't. Rarely something they could pickup from Philip.

 

[deaconkane]

What is so complicated and specialized about that offense that would make it take 3 years to recruit for?

Not sure but its the same offense that we are trying to run.

 

[mackievol]

I work with the quarterback's relative, MJ has worked hard to get where he is and has had great coaching and great support from his family. Congrats to Falcon nation.

 

[golf437]

So Clawson had a big win, so what. His offense got Fulmer fired. Chavis' defense stopped the other team time after time and Clawson's offense could barely make a first down. I don't care what he's doing now, when he was with the big orange he stunk it up.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

good grief, this was stupid.

Straight truths? Biggest piece of fiction I've read on VN today, and that's after reading posts from volmav and lg in the politics forum. Posts like this almost make those two seem enlightened.

The above represent the typical feeble denials.

Hard truths - the scenario I painted was A LOT closer to happening than the following scenario we heard ad infinitum:

Fire Fulmer and the Vols will be back!

After half a decade, it's very, very clear who lived in the ridiculous corner.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

The Clawfence is a highly customized version of the West Coast offense , One of the problems with it in its initial installment is pro level of complexity ..with receiver reads and route options and the QB reading the same thing as the receiver and multiple checks. Phil was on the hotseat and kept tinkering and keeping CDC tied to his tried an true offense.

Not speculating or passing blame as to who was right or wrong ...but I think you hire a coordinator to bring their stuff to the table.

Crucify CPF because he didn't switch to Clawfense in 1 year. Crucify CDD because he did switch to 3-4 in 1 year.

VN is bipolar. lmao

 

[stevo_88]

I think at the time of Clawson's hire, Fullmer was under a lot of pressure from Fans/Media to hire someone out of the "Good Ole Boy" network, who didn't have ties to UT. I fell that Fulmer didn't like it, so whomever was hired, IMO Fulmer did everything to impede Dave, and make him a fallguy.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

This isn't that surprising to me.

The problem in the Fulmer years was Fulmer. Fulmer was a great recruiter, but he only succeeded with the legacy staff that Johnny Majors brought in.

Both Randy Sanders and Dave Clawson looked terrible at UT, and both have looked great elsewhere. This seems to speak to Fulmer not giving them enough control. Fulmer wanted a super-conservative offense that the vast majority of high schools had been moving away from. As much as Kiffin and Dooley were disasters, I think Fulmer's dismissal was inevitable. He couldn't keep up with the times.

 

[WesternKyVol]

The above represent the typical feeble denials.

Hard truths - the scenario I painted was A LOT closer to happening than the following scenario we heard ad infinitum:

Fire Fulmer and the Vols will be back!

After half a decade, it's very, very clear who lived in the ridiculous corner.

Finding a good coach is tricky business. It's trickier still when clowns are running the university and athletic department. The inability to hire a top 10 coach to go with a top 10 program is the problem.

Although, I would probably expect about the same types of hires from you since clearly your cause and effect skills resemble a 7 year old's.

 

[volfan411]

Not sure but its the same offense that we are trying to run.

No it is not. Jones runs a read option and Clawson runs a version of the spread. Clawson wants to spread you out and throw it really a version of the west coast offense.

 

[Vol865]

I loved Philip but knew his time had come and gone. He was successful off his NATIONAL recruiting charm. Once other schools started keeping their talent in state, he never could adjust as there typically isn't enough SEC talent in Tennessee alone. My point was that his assistants didn't learn scheming from him as he was very Vanilla. When it comes to assistants recruiting you either have the knack or you don't. Rarely something they could pickup from Philip.

So how many years did you coach under Fulmer, because he was highly revered among his colleagues and players from everything ive seen?

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Never satisfied. We want to get rid of phill.get rid of kiffin get rid of dools
Get rid of Butch .will we stop and smell the flowers.Heres the chance support Butch.

I don't think that's flowers you have been smelling the last decade around UT football.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

So how many years did you coach under Fulmer, because he was highly revered among his colleagues and players from everything ive seen?

Probably about the same time you became Fulmer's personal assistant.

This argument is beyond asinine and it has been for years.

Because you didn't play or coach under Fulmer, you can't have an opinion?

 

[ReelfootVol]

Clawson was/is an excellent coach. I don't care how much fun people make of him. He is a proven winner.

 

[Burger]

What is so complicated and specialized about that offense that would make it take 3 years to recruit for?

His route tree, and blocking assignments are complicated. He runs a more complicated offense than our own Bajakian.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Finding a good coach is tricky business. It's trickier still when clowns are running the university and athletic department. The inability to hire a top 10 coach to go with a top 10 program is the problem.

Although, I would probably expect about the same types of hires from you since clearly your cause and effect skills resemble a 7 year old's.

Dumb post is dumb.

Newsflash - we had a good coach. He's now in the HoF, and the reality is, if Hambone doesn't fire him, he has one losing season (and that was a perfect storm of bad luck) and had us in Atlanta every three years.

Finding a good coach is a tricky business. So guess what, you don't fire your hall of fame coach unless you have Jon Gruden lined up to come in.

What you certainly don't do is hire two coaches because of their daddies. The replacement for that idiocy then disses Gruden and lucks into CBJ.

 

[Burger]

I work with the quarterback's relative, MJ has worked hard to get where he is and has had great coaching and great support from his family. Congrats to Falcon nation.

He's going to play in the NFL. The way he plays is very impressive.

 

[Burger]

No it is not. Jones runs a read option and Clawson runs a version of the spread. Clawson wants to spread you out and throw it really a version of the west coast offense.

Jones also runs a west coast offense. There are many similarities between our O and the Clawfense.

 

[vols 30]

Probably about the same time you became Fulmer's personal assistant.

This argument is beyond asinine and it has been for years.

Because you didn't play or coach under Fulmer, you can't have an opinion?

Spot on. This is similar to saying something slightly negative about a player or recruit, and some genius will say "I bet you don't the balls to say it to his face". It's a message board, everyone shares their opinion.

 

[Burger]

Dumb post is dumb.

Newsflash - we had a good coach. He's now in the HoF, and the reality is, if Hambone doesn't fire him, he has one losing season (and that was a perfect storm of bad luck) and had us in Atlanta every three years.

Finding a good coach is a tricky business. So guess what, you don't fire your hall of fame coach unless you have Jon Gruden lined up to come in.

What you certainly don't do is hire two coaches because of their daddies. The replacement for that idiocy then disses Gruden and lucks into CBJ.

There was obvious evidence of a downward turn. We went from #3 to #34 in recruiting in one year. We were losing too many games to keep the old guy. Two losing seasons in 4 years in the program that was built already gets you fired in my book.

 

[tnvols72]

I think you are spot on. Clawson runs a very atypical college offense that Fulmer wasn't fully sold on. Georgia State or whoever it was that beat Florida ran a similar version of it. It's very effective against normal defenses who are young and/or undersized. The service academies run versions of the spread because of personnel, but Clawson's was a step above that. I don't think Fulmer would have ever fully took the gloves off, and to be fair, I don't think it would have had a sustaining effect against SEC defenses. But it would have been an interesting couple of years if we had been staffed for it.

If you mean Ga Southern that beat Fla ? They have nothing in common with BG. Ga Sothern runs the same offense as Ga Tech. And Navy.

 

[volfan411]

Jones also runs a west coast offense. There are many similarities between our O and the Clawfense.

I agree that there are similarities but Jones in the past has relied on the read option to run the ball and make defenses respect the mobile QB. I do not remember Clawson wanting to do that I thought he was more of a spread the field out and throw it. I do think that by the way Jones is recruiting he would like to run more of a pro style offense and not rely on the read option.

 

[Vols520]

Clawsons offense has principles of spread, west coast and pro style.

My brother played for him at Fordham.

All I will say his he got a lot of kids who got offers to D-1 schools to go to Fordham during a time when they weren't yet full scholarship.

People fail to realize he was looked at as an offensive guru and nfl coaches would study with him.

I figured he would succeed at bowling green as he has been succesful everywhere he has been apart from a poor season at UT.

 

[Burger]

I agree that there are similarities but Jones in the past has relied on the read option to run the ball and make defenses respect the mobile QB. I do not remember Clawson wanting to do that I thought he was more of a spread the field out and throw it. I do think that by the way Jones is recruiting he would like to run more of a pro style offense and not rely on the read option.

Let's say it this way then, Matt Johnson is an accurate pocket passer with decent wheels. Dan Lefevor was a guy with a strong arm, and wheels. If Clawson had a mobile Qb, he'd use a lot more read option. Jones changed his read option tendencies when Brandon Kay , a pocket passer, came in for Munchie. Those things you mentioned are tendencies, and they can change at any time.

 

[hillccs]

The truth is this does not disprove that Clawson did not play a large part in Fulmer's bad last season, because he did.