Climate Change Report

[82_VOL_83]

So....... What does your carbon footprint look like?

Size f'ing 18.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I have solar electricity.

My electricity is supplied by coal and hard working Americans.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Perhaps, but that seems like more of a philosophical question and I am not prepared to deem certain segments of the population expendable.

I would start with liberals and then let McDad have it.

 

[tennvols77]

No future, no children: Teens refusing to have kids until there's action on climate change

Help the world and don't procreate please.

 

[TN Ribs]

You are beyond idiotic on this.

You are tender little fella getting all worked up, so sensitive to valid criticism of the moron in the White House - blaming Climate Change on China is proof-positive that Trump is a absolute fool and a global embarrassment.
If I posted all of Trump's idiotic quotes on Climate Change I would break the VN server.

 

[0nelilreb]

You are tender little fella getting all worked up, so sensitive to valid criticism of the moron in the White House - blaming Climate Change on China is proof-positive that Trump is a absolute fool and a global embarrassment.
If I posted all of Trump's idiotic quotes on Climate Change I would break the VN server.

No you wouldn’t but if you did Trumps then Al gores and AOCs stupid quotes you might slow it down some .

 

[Roustabout]

Thats been around for awhile but was cost prohibitive for the coal fired power plants. I don't know if that's changed and if the industry would adopt that "standard" or "regulation", I don't see why not.

I probably read the article 2 years ago.

So, it cost too much to save the planet?

 

[Mick]

So, it cost too much to save the planet?

It was in the article you posted, Didn't you read it? Is that what that you got from the article, or you just don't have anywhere else to go in this conversation?

 

[AM64]

The gigantic asteroid collision 470 million of years ago that caused Earth to freeze over, according to scientists

You know back in the late 1800s there was a big volcanic explosion in the Pacific side of things that spewed a lot of hydrocarbons and other pollutants into the atmosphere and cooled the whole place down for a while ... sorta like a postulated "nuclear winter". Apparently today's "climate wizards" can't manage even with that event to correlate solar energy to earth's temperature. In a few years those clowns may suddenly come back with cleaning the skies has increased solar transmission and is increasing the earth's temperature.

 

[zeppelin128]

You know back in the late 1800s there was a big volcanic explosion in the Pacific side of things that spewed a lot of hydrocarbons and other pollutants into the atmosphere and cooled the whole place down for a while ... sorta like a postulated "nuclear winter". Apparently today's "climate wizards" can't manage even with that event to correlate solar energy to earth's temperature. In a few years those clowns may suddenly come back with cleaning the skies has increased solar transmission and is increasing the earth's temperature.

Krakatoa eruption in 1883. It is thought to have produced the loudest sound on Earth. We studied it in a few geology courses I took. It was insanely powerful.

 

[Roustabout]

It was in the article you posted, Didn't you read it? Is that what that you got from the article, or you just don't have anywhere else to go in this conversation?

I read that it’s expensive. So what?
It also said that others felt like they could make it much cheaper, especially by targeting emissions at their source.

Do you know how much carbon taxes are costing us now? Since you have no facts, you likely don’t.
We spent a billion dollars of tax money for a scrubber on Bull Run Steam plant and they are tearing it down. And that’s just one plant.

 

[LouderVol]

You know back in the late 1800s there was a big volcanic explosion in the Pacific side of things that spewed a lot of hydrocarbons and other pollutants into the atmosphere and cooled the whole place down for a while ... sorta like a postulated "nuclear winter". Apparently today's "climate wizards" can't manage even with that event to correlate solar energy to earth's temperature. In a few years those clowns may suddenly come back with cleaning the skies has increased solar transmission and is increasing the earth's temperature.

Your last bit is another part I dont see addressed. If we are reflecting heat back in, we are also reflecting heat back out unless CO2 has some super magical powers like a two way mirror.

 

[AM64]

I bet you think that the manufacturing process create a bigger carbon footprint than the use of the panels. Is that what you think BOT?

You know electric power has base load and peaking. Increasing solar and wind power requires more peaking capacity which is more expensive than base load power because of inefficiencies like having generating capacity sitting idle for longer periods of time but with the need for manning and maintenance to keep that backup generation operational at all times. Nuclear doesn't do well for anything but base load, virtually all the power you need when your solar isn't meeting the need has to be supplemented by hydrocarbon based power of one kind or another.

 

[AM64]

More plausible than man made calamitous global climate change. Those plants are ominous. I don't trust corn, myself. It stalks me.

And pollutes your gas(oline).

 

[AM64]

Nope. Just stating that our entire manufacturing process that allows us to exist like we do is 100% dependent on fossil fuels.

The climate change mouth breathers would love to be able to dispute that fact. But they cannot.

Can we sacrifice climate change mouth breathers to the climate change gods? Like dropping them into fire breathing volcanoes?

 

[AM64]

Can I help? please.

How good is your bombing? Can you get Delta (?) to route you where we need you?

 

[Mick]

I read that it’s expensive. So what?
It also said that others felt like they could make it much cheaper, especially by targeting emissions at their source.

Do you know how much carbon taxes are costing us now? Since you have no facts, you likely don’t.
We spent a billion dollars of tax money for a scrubber on Bull Run Steam plant and they are tearing it down. And that’s just one plant.

I said I was fine with the technology. What's your gripe? Is it that it was funded with tax dollars (which you will need to verify because I can't take your word for anything).

 

[VolStrom]

I said I was fine with the technology. What's your gripe? Is it that it was funded with tax dollars (which you will need to verify because I can't take your word for anything).

I'm pretty sure that everything TVA is funded by the rate payers. The federal government hasn't had a damn thing to do with TVA for decades other than mandate crap.

 

[Mick]

I'm pretty sure that everything TVA is funded by the rate payers. The federal government hasn't had a damn thing to do with TVA for decades other than mandate crap.

So this quote from the other poster is BS?

We spent a billion dollars of tax money for a scrubber on Bull Run Steam plant

 

[AM64]

I served 20 years in the Navy. Submarines. Nuclear powered. Our only limit on how long we could stay out, or submerged, was the amount of food we could carry. Everything else we needed to survive, we produced. We took seawater, made it into fresh water, and had water to drink, cook, and bathe. We took that same fresh water...ran it through a few more processes, and had oxygen to breathe, and pure water for the battery and the reactor. We had equipment to scrub the CO2 we produced as humans, and nitrogen burners to get rid of the bad gas.

And in 20 years, not one Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, or Fukushima. Mind you, this was but one career on 5 subs while there were at least 40 others just like mine at sea. The Navy has made it's mistakes, but when it comes to running a floating nuclear power plant in conditions that would make GE engineers puke, well...there's a reason why GE, and others, hire Navy nuke engineers just as fast as they get out or retire. Hyman Rickover built a bulletproof system, and it's working to this day.

If you want to get away from fossil fuels, there is only one answer that will meet existing and projected future needs. Solar, hydroelectric, wind power, and anything "green" is a guaranteed nationwide blackout at some point.

So it's coal and gas, or nuclear. Pick your poison.

Grumble, grumble, grumble ... I generally despised most ex navy officers that made their way into commercial nuclear power - others with military experience were generally great. I recognize that a lot of what you say is correct, but commercial nuclear power is not based on high turnover rates among staff like the navy is and shouldn't be completely procedure dominated when experience can lead better to progress. And then there's the navy: two plus centuries of tradition uninterrupted by change.

 

[VolStrom]

So this quote from the other poster is BS?

I don't know, do you?

 

[Roustabout]

I said I was fine with the technology. What's your gripe? Is it that it was funded with tax dollars (which you will need to verify because I can't take your word for anything).

Gripe?
I said, “problem solved.”
Why don’t you just agree and move on?

 

[AM64]

Your last bit is another part I dont see addressed. If we are reflecting heat back in, we are also reflecting heat back out unless CO2 has some super magical powers like a two way mirror.

Yeah, somehow according to greenhouse theory solar energy gets by CO2 in the atmosphere but the heat can't get back out. And there's more magic - if we heat up the oceans, they release CO2 to increase the effectiveness of the super magic mirror.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

No future, no children: Teens refusing to have kids until there's action on climate change

Help the world and don't procreate please.

Less liberals = what's best for the climate!

 

[Orangeburst]

So this quote from the other poster is BS?

I am somewhat sure this is correct..TVA is self funded but are federal employees, kind of like the USPS.