Clowney vs White

Clowney vs White

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#126
#126
thebjd said:
Just sharing thoughts from a Hall of Fame tackle who was the best o-linemen on one of the best offensive lines in NFL history. Nothing in the OP says anything about as a sophomore in college.
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well the OP based this off a college football video game. That would tell me that it is at least looking for an eval based on their college performance.

would there ever be a discussion when looking at a college player vs an NFL HOF player? Of course not so you look for the most relevant comparison
 
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#127
#127
utvolpj said:
well the OP based this off a college football video game. That would tell me that it is at least looking for an eval based on their college performance.

would there ever be a discussion when looking at a college player vs an NFL HOF player? Of course not so you look for the most relevant comparison
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OK but you can't throw out Reggie's senior year because "Clowney won't have one" either. When Clowney has a year with 15 sacks and 100 tackles in college he can be considered a better college player. He even gets an extra game to do it now.
 
#128
#128
thebjd said:
OK but you can't throw out Reggie's senior year because "Clowney won't have one" either. When Clowney has a year with 15 sacks and 100 tackles in college he can be considered a better college player. He even gets an extra game to do it now.
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I didn't throw it out I just compared like for like - freshman v freshman, sophomore v sophomore. By many reports, Reggie flipped a switch his senior year and decided to become a force. The fact that Clowney made waves his entire college career is irrelevant?
 
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#129
#129
VKAman said:
For the millionth time, Clowney is better at this age and it's not that close.
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Disagree completely. With the changes to the game, Clowneys numbers are simply benefiting from the new more wide open offenses.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Disagree completely. With the changes to the game, Clowneys numbers are simply benefiting from the new more wide open offenses.
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Disagree all you want. Was White one of the five best players in the country as a sophomore? A unanimous All-American? Defensive Player of the Year?
 
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VKAman said:
Disagree all you want. Was White one of the five best players in the country as a sophomore? A unanimous All-American? Defensive Player of the Year?
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Honestly, these arguments are ridiculous. It's impossible to compare a player from 30 years ago to a player today. The game is very different.

They are both excellent. Doesn't matter who is better. I don't think it is a fair comparison. Just my .02 worth.
 
#134
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jps2194 said:
Honestly, these arguments are ridiculous. It's impossible to compare a player from 30 years ago to a player today. The game is very different.

They are both excellent. Doesn't matter who is better. I don't think it is a fair comparison. Just my .02 worth.
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300 lb defensive ends with Reggie's skills will be rare 30 years from now. Reggie played all the way through the 90's at an elite level so it hasn't been that long. The arguments are ridiculous but it beats actually working.
 
#135
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utvolpj said:
I didn't throw it out I just compared like for like - freshman v freshman, sophomore v sophomore. By many reports, Reggie flipped a switch his senior year and decided to become a force. The fact that Clowney made waves his entire college career is irrelevant?
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It is easier to make waves as a pass rushing defensive end than an 18-19 year old defensive tackle. Whether it was a switch flipped or being healthy and strong enough to play the position doesn't really matter.
 
#136
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To equal Reggie White's college numbers (both will play for 3 full years), Clowney has to get:

203 tackles and 11 sacks.

Of course, this is just college. Equaling the NFL numbers of probably one of the best players of all time is a phenomenal undertaking. Most NFL DEs just don't last long enough to even dream of 198 sacks.
 
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#137
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I'm not sure Clowney is better than Terrell Suggs was. Laugh if you want but the numbers are there. And don't give me this Suggs PAC 10 argument. Dude has more than proven as a pro that his college years were no fluke.
 
#139
#139
Reggie dominated NFL linemen like they were High School kids. He could take over a game at will and did - including a Super Bowl.
 
#140
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VKAman said:
Plenty of soph DTs have been on all-conference teams. If your point is that DTs get ignored until they're seniors, it's a terrible point.
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My point is that a DT isn't going to put those kind of stats.

But as a SR White put up stats that Clowney can't touch.
 
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DC Vol said:
To equal Reggie White's college numbers (both will play for 3 full years), Clowney has to get:

203 tackles and 11 sacks.

Of course, this is just college. Equaling the NFL numbers of probably one of the best players of all time is a phenomenal undertaking. Most NFL DEs just don't last long enough to even dream of 198 sacks.
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White missed a lot of his Jr year that you're not counting. He also played in a far less pass happy era.
 
#142
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Vol8188 said:
My point is that a DT isn't going to put those kind of stats.

But as a SR White put up stats that Clowney can't touch.
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This right here. You would think these brainiacs would understand that DTs don't typically put up numbers that DEs do.
 
#143
#143
This discussion ends with the simple fact that Clowney doesn't play with half the heart White did. You can watch a whole game and hardly hear Clowney's name called at all. Clowney only plays when he wants to. He takes too many plays off. White was a force on every down. Clowney can't and will not touch White.
 
#144
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Vol8188 said:
My point is that a DT isn't going to put those kind of stats.

But as a SR White put up stats that Clowney can't touch.
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Then you don't have a point. An All-America selection isn't a "stat." DTs get selected to that team every single year, and until he was a senior, White wasn't one of them.

As a sophomore, Clowney was hands down the best in the country at his position. White wasn't. It's that simple.
 
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Guys, for those of you who are not old enough to remember Reggie's early career at Tennessee, he was the top prospect in the state when he came out of high school in Chattanooga. According to the 1980 media guide, he was also 6-5, 238 pounds at that time, so that may have impacted his early inconsistency as an interior defensive lineman. See The Tennessee Football Programs: 1980 Football Guide.

He also was an outstanding basketball player. When Coach Majors first observed Reggie "on the basketball court, Majors referred to him as a 'man among boys' in that game and determined that he probably could have had an NBA career if that had been the direction he pursued." Indeed, as a high school senior, Reggie White "was named the nation's top two-sport athlete. He finished ahead of Patrick Ewing." See History Release » Hall recall: Reggie White

In any event, he showed flashes of brilliance early in his career but not enough to assuage concerns that this guy may turn out to be a rather colossal bust, given the hype that surrounded his recruitment. Thankfully, he truly hit his stride as a senior.

Gil Brandt, the famous scout for the Dallas Cowboys, said that "White put on one of the most remarkable individual performances I ever witnessed as a scout, in a night game in 1983 against LSU in Knoxville. He started the game playing straight up against tackle Lance Smith, who was a talented player. He was no match for White, though, and neither was anyone else on the field that night. LSU tried to double- and triple-team him -- and even chip him with the tight end -- all to no avail.

White and the Vols held a very talented Tigers offense that featured future second-round picks Dalton Hilliard and Gary James to only 170 yards and won 20-6. White finished the game with a sack and six solo tackles, three of which went for a combined total of 19 yards lost. But the stats didn't even come close to telling the story. The only other comparable performance I ever saw was Randy White's final game as a senior for Maryland in the Liberty Bowl. These were two future Hall of Famers playing to their capacity." See History Release » Hall recall: Reggie White. Brandt neglected to say that White's performance in the 1974 Liberty Bowl occurred in a 7-3 loss to Tennessee.
 
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#146
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VKAman said:
Then you don't have a point. An All-America selection isn't a "stat." DTs get selected to that team every single year, and until he was a senior, White wasn't one of them.

As a sophomore, Clowney was hands down the best in the country at his position. White wasn't. It's that simple.
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Are you drunk?
 
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VKAman said:
Disagree all you want. Was White one of the five best players in the country as a sophomore? A unanimous All-American? Defensive Player of the Year?
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So you don't think defensive player of the year is based on stats?
 
#149
#149
Vol8188 said:
So you don't think defensive player of the year is based on stats?
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Jesus. Stats play in, but for things like the All-America team he's only competing against other tackles so complaining about how tackles are at a disadvantage is totally irrelevant. It's hard for me to fathom that this is still going over your head.

Until White was a senior, there were plenty of college DTs outperforming him. There were zero DEs outperforming Clowney by the time he was 19. Keep ignoring that though...
 
#150
#150
VKAman said:
Jesus. Stats play in, but for things like the All-America team he's only competing against other tackles so complaining about how tackles are at a disadvantage is totally irrelevant. It's hard for me to fathom that this is still going over your head.

Until White was a senior, there were plenty of college DTs outperforming him. There were zero DEs outperforming Clowney by the time he was 19. Keep ignoring that though...
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Using that logic, Tim Tittyboy is a better QB then Manning.

You cray
 
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