Coach Jumper: This year?

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If Kourtney or any player was having difficulty setting her feet (plantar fascitis) that painful injury would effect her accuracy of her effortless 3-point shot as we observed last year. One game last year she was 3-10 from the 3-pt and all were wide-open shots.
 
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stllvf said:
If Kourtney or any player was having difficulty setting her feet (plantar fascitis) that painful injury would effect her accuracy of her effortless 3-point shot as we observed last year. One game last year she was 3-10 from the 3-pt and all were wide-open shots.
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What game were you watching. I've never seen kortney issue more than four before they take her out and put somebody else in.
 
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armchair said:
What does getting to the Elite Eight have to with having/winning a million dollars? You win nothing when you get to the Elite Eight. It's a dumb analogy. The most pertinent point--which you don't get--is that different programs have different standards. We are not arkansas or south Alabama. When you've won eight national titles, your standard is a national title and competing for national titles; it is not getting to the elite eight. Ask the AD or fans of any elite men's program--Kentucky or Duke or North Carolina or Kansas--is their standard is the elite eight. Not hardly. This is not to suggest that I or any fan expects to win a national title every year--some years getting to the elite eight is a decent accomplishment. But when that is the highest level you have achieved over more than a decade, when you have gone a decade or longer without even getting to the final four, then you have a problem; then you have a program that has fallen off, which of course describes our program. We get beat now by teams that in the past would not have come close to beating us in the past; we've lost ground in the SEC; we do not play good basketball consistently--and yet you want to pretend that all is good. Please. I can certainly understand you wanting to defend your friend, the coach, but I don't accept the lowering of our standard of success--and no other Vol fans should either
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My analogy was sound enough. An Elite 8 is valuable to any team. Not a natty, but nothing to be ashamed of.

I said that our goal is championships. I did not say I'm happy about our play or results.

My point is that our level of success, while not what we'd want, is also not a punishable offense.

One thing I've appreciated about your comments is that you admit that some of the program weaknesses have been around long before Pat retired.

No standards need to be lowered, but people also need to stay realistic.
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
My analogy was sound enough. An Elite 8 is valuable to any team. Not a natty, but nothing to be ashamed of.

I said that our goal is championships. I did not say I'm happy about our play or results.

My point is that our level of success, while not what we'd want, is also not a punishable offense.

One thing I've appreciated about your comments is that you admit that some of the program weaknesses have been around long before Pat retired.

No standards need to be lowered, but people also need to stay realistic.
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An Elite 8 is something to be ashamed of for certain teams. It has caused coaches to leave programs.

Final Fours have been realistic for the Lady Vols for decades. It's not about lowering expectations based on the COACH.

UT is a storied WCBB program, similar to UK, Duke, UCLA on the men's side.
 
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NoBackBoard said:
An Elite 8 is something to be ashamed of for certain teams. It has caused coaches to leave programs.

Final Fours have been realistic for the Lady Vols for decades. It's not about lowering expectations based on the COACH.

UT is a storied WCBB program, similar to UK, Duke, UCLA on the men's side.
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Please tell us a coach that has left (I assume you mean fired) because they "only" made an Elite 8.

I would be shocked.
 
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Amb3096 said:
And Tubby also won a NC early during his UK tenure, but never made it back to the FF.
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Tubby Smith won the National Championship with the team inherited from Rick Pitino. And he was in a decline every year thereafter. He's now coaching I think it Minnesota state gophers or something like that and he's not even making the tournament now so I guess we see how greater coach tubby was.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Tubby Smith won the National Championship with the team inherited from Rick Pitino. And he was in a decline every year thereafter. He's now coaching I think it Minnesota state gophers or something like that and he's not even making the tournament now so I guess we see how greater coach tubby was.
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I remember that team Tubby won the NC with. While it's true that he inherited a bunch of players from Pitino, they were all role players or end of bench players. The star of that tournament run wasn't selected in the NBA draft and never lasted a season in the league.

He beat a lot of more talented teams with a blue-collar team that wasn't super talented, but played hard all the time.
 
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Amb3096 said:
I remember that team Tubby won the NC with. While it's true that he inherited a bunch of players from Pitino, they were all role players or end of bench players. The star of that tournament run wasn't selected in the NBA draft and never lasted a season in the league.

He beat a lot of more talented teams with a blue-collar team that wasn't super talented, but played hard all the time.
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Thanks, Amb!
 
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Amb3096 said:
I remember that team Tubby won the NC with. While it's true that he inherited a bunch of players from Pitino, they were all role players or end of bench players. The star of that tournament run wasn't selected in the NBA draft and never lasted a season in the league.

He beat a lot of more talented teams with a blue-collar team that wasn't super talented, but played hard all the time.
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Log on to Wikipedia. Look at the decline and tubby Smith record from that point all the way till now. now he is not even making the tournament. If you're a good coach you're a good coach and your teams will win and your team's will follow you to any college or university. good players follow good coaches. If tubby was such a good coach he would still be making the NCAA tournament no matter what University he ended up with.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Tubby Smith University of Kentucky
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This is an interesting example. A bit off-point since it's not the same world as WBB, but I'll bite. IIRC...

Tubby wasn't exactly fired. He left with 4 years on his contract and a 1.5 million dollar incentive bonus in his pocket FOR GETTING TO THE NCAA 2nd ROUND.

There was a faction of the fan base that didn't like Tubby because he wanted to run a clean program. That meant he didn't get all the NBA talent like cheater coach Pitino (& now Calapari). But the season he left, Tubby had what many considered to be a Final 4 caliber team with a couple of guys that would later play in the NBA.

Tubby also butted heads with the athletic director that wouldn't permit Tubby to hire his son as an assistant.

I also believe there were a lot of folks that didn't like Tubby because he was KY MBB's first and only Black head coach.

Also, Tubby did take Minnesota to the NCAA Tourney & beat UCLA. In fact, he went to the postseason 5 of his 6 years at Minny (3 NCAA, 2 NIT). He then went to TX Tech and took them to NCAA and left for Memphis job.

While I appreciate your point, Tubby didn't get fired for getting to the Elite 8. His last 2 years at KY were 2nd Round. And he left on his own.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Log on to Wikipedia. Look at the decline and tubby Smith record from that point all the way till now. now he is not even making the tournament. If you're a good coach you're a good coach and your teams will win and your team's will follow you to any college or university. good players follow good coaches. If tubby was such a good coach he would still be making the NCAA tournament no matter what University he ended up with.
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I checked. You didn't look very closely, Jumper. Tubby has taken every team he coached to the postseason. (Except for Memphis now in his first season. )

Good talent doesn't just magically follow good coaches, especially non-cheaters, to places like Minnesota.

Minnesota has not done as well with their replacement coach: after 4 seasons, he's only been to the NCAA once and lost in first round.

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1CHATTVOL said:
This is an interesting example. A bit off-point since it's not the same world as WBB, but I'll bite. IIRC...

Tubby wasn't exactly fired. He left with 4 years on his contract and a 1.5 million dollar incentive bonus in his pocket FOR GETTING TO THE NCAA 2nd ROUND.

There was a faction of the fan base that didn't like Tubby because he wanted to run a clean program. That meant he didn't get all the NBA talent like cheater coach Pitino (& now Calapari). But the season he left, Tubby had what many considered to be a Final 4 caliber team with a couple of guys that would later play in the NBA.

Tubby also butted heads with the athletic director that wouldn't permit Tubby to hire his son as an assistant.

I also believe there were a lot of folks that didn't like Tubby because he was KY MBB's first and only Black head coach.

Also, Tubby did take Minnesota to the NCAA Tourney & beat UCLA. In fact, he went to the postseason 5 of his 6 years at Minny (3 NCAA, 2 NIT). He then went to TX Tech and took them to NCAA and left for Memphis job.

While I appreciate your point, Tubby didn't get fired for getting to the Elite 8. His last 2 years at KY were 2nd Round. And he left on his own.
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I don't count the NIT Tournament as postseason. Tubby Smith missed the NCAA and the NIT several times during his decline. Tubby Smith followed Rick Pitino and every year almost every year there was a decline
yes he made the tournament but it made the tournament he was a champion is first-year E8 the second-year second-round entrance exit third-year sweet 16 2 years he ate one year second round in elimination 8 second round elimination second-round elimination Tennessee I want final for the fans won't like you who are accepting anything but for accepting less than what we should do

And by the way this is voice to text so I can't edit so easily on this telephone saw the mistakes you're looking at in my answer to your response I can't do a whole lot about in such a short amount of time without a computer.
 
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I don't agree with Coach J very often, but I'm with him on this. I understand we're only the fan base, but it's a slippery slope. When the fans don't demand (expect) improvements in play and final fours as the goals, then it's all too easy for the University, and it's employee's, to slack off just a little bit. It becomes too easy to incorporate the acceptance of a lesser mindset into their own thinking.
And that little bit is all that it takes for results to go South.
(Yes, that would be like Alabama !).
 
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volnationnj said:
I don't agree with Coach J very often, but I'm with him on this. I understand we're only the fan base, but it's a slippery slope. When the fans don't demand (expect) improvements in play and final fours as the goals, then it's all too easy for the University, and it's employee's, to slack off just a little bit. It becomes too easy to incorporate the acceptance of a lesser mindset into their own thinking.
And that little bit is all that it takes for results to go South.
(Yes, that would be like Alabama !).
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I hear you guys, and I don't disagree that an elite, historic program should have high expectations.

The practical difference is that fans are developing unrealistic expectations. You don't fire a coach for getting to the Elite 8. 8th out of 350 teams? Is that really that much worse than 4th?

Anyway, I hope we go on a tear and maybe shut up some haters and doubters. But my gut tells me that no matter how well the team does, there will still be a faction of naysayers.
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
I hear you guys, and I don't disagree that an elite, historic program should have high expectations.

The practical difference is that fans are developing unrealistic expectations. You don't fire a coach for getting to the Elite 8. 8th out of 350 teams? Is that really that much worse than 4th?

Anyway, I hope we go on a tear and maybe shut up some haters and doubters. But my gut tells me that no matter how well the team does, there will still be a faction of naysayers.
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I know I come across as a Holly hater, when in fact, I have no emotion toward her, love or hate. . . . I do love the TN Lady Vols program though.

I have been on-board since the late eighties and have never wavered in my first choice for a WBB program.

I pull for Coach Warlick. Her success is not only the team's success, but it proves the choice of Pat Summitt's successor, to be the right choice.

Everything is in line for CHW to make a run.

No heavy early expectations
No drama from players or staff since early summer...Nothing.
No known injuries.
No known extreme-personalities left.
A staff totally chosen and put or kept in place by her.
A team that looks tailor-made for her previous style of coaching.
I think this is shaping up to be a perfect storm.


The questions:
Did EVERYONE do the work in the off-season?
Did CHW instill some movement and fluidity in the offense?
Will CHW become a "game" coach?
What will BG bring to the mix?

(Note when I post during the day, I am doing so from a "smart" phone... So when I say "Lady Vols will win" and it prints out "Lately balls will win" ......Sorry folks,,,But, either me or the phone, is over-hyped)
 
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Nuyoika said:
Warlick said she wanted to increase their speed of play but that was before they lost 3 players... you think she sticks with the original idea and hammers the endurance training this summer or no?
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From the presser I'd say we have ten healthy players right now.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
I know I come across as a Holly hater, when in fact, I have no emotion toward her, love or hate. . . . I do love the TN Lady Vols program though.

I have been on-board since the late eighties and have never wavered in my first choice for a WBB program.

I pull for Coach Warlick. Her success is not only the team's success, but it proves the choice of Pat Summitt's successor, to be the right choice.

Everything is in line for CHW to make a run.

No heavy early expectations
No drama from players or staff since early summer...Nothing.
No known injuries.
No known extreme-personalities left.
A staff totally chosen and put or kept in place by her.
A team that looks tailor-made for her previous style of coaching.
I think this is shaping up to be a perfect storm.


The questions:
Did EVERYONE do the work in the off-season?
Did CHW instill some movement and fluidity in the offense?
Will CHW become a "game" coach?
What will BG bring to the mix?

(Note when I post during the day, I am doing so from a "smart" phone... So when I say "Lady Vols will win" and it prints out "Lately balls will win" ......Sorry folks,,,But, either me or the phone, is over-hyped)
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I think the big games haven't bothered her as much as the lesser opponents... well I guess losing in the second round is a big game.
 
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