Coach Kellie Harper

Do you want Coach Harper to return or hire new Coach?

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Amb3096 said:
Except that EarlVol, who is close to the program, contradicted that by saying that he didn't agree that donating gives you a say in how the program is managed. So it's not even about having a history of donating; it's that they want the money, but not your opinion.
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I think Earl was just trying not to be accused of being Mr. Privilege Poster again. If you've ever lived and worked in this world, you know good and well money talks. The more money you cough up the louder your opinion talks. Especially for organizations that depend heavily on donations.

It's why Mr Drysdale never wanted to piss off Jed Clampett.
 
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glv98 said:
I think Earl was just trying not to be accused of being Mr. Privilege Poster again. If you've ever lived and worked in this world, you know good and well money talks. The more money you cough up the louder your opinion talks. Especially for organizations that depend heavily on donations.

It's why Mr Drysdale never wanted to piss off Jed Clampett.
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NE…VER!
 
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knoxvol52 said:
So you donate $1000 dollars , you get a seat at the table.
You donate $3000 dollars , you get acknowledged your sitting at the table.
You donate $20000 dollars then your at head of the table.

Hypothetical speaking of course.
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Not sure how UTAD's sliding scale works bc it's all so far above my means. But yes, that's exactly how it usually works.

I'm surprised so many are surprised at that. What world did ya'll work in?
 
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glv98 said:
I think Earl was just trying not to be accused of being Mr. Privilege Poster again. If you've ever lived and worked in this world, you know good and well money talks. The more money you cough up the louder your opinion talks. Especially for organizations that depend heavily on donations.

It's why Mr Drysdale never wanted to piss off Jed Clampett.
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Oh I know. And I admit that I was fishing for a specific answer. Kind of like working in the philanthropy department for a large organization, but notice how most of the big donors are usually with restricted funds vs. a blank check. That guarantees that their donations are spent with the donor's approval.

Going back to his response to me with the separate collectives, it again points to an unsustainable model of the school's own doing. And as he said (if this is truly the reason for their lack of recruitment success), they don't have big donors. That is not sustainable if they are trying to get a bunch of $15-20 monthly donations from fans to compete against millionaire philanthropists. And if they need fans to give more to survive, then maybe the program just doesn't survive in the New World.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
How many women’s programs have gone solo like LVBHC?
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I think this is perhaps the fatal flaw of the collective structure at Tennessee. It allows boosters to funnel big dollars to football and perhaps to a lesser extent other men’s sports whereas the women get my piddly monthly donation that probably couldn’t even buy a women’s soccer player let alone a top basketball recruit. This is a big problem at UNC where they are struggling to get funds to their olympic sports but men’s basketball is rolling in cash. Their AD is on the record though talking about how the university is monitoring and concerned about this because one of UNC’s most successful programs is women’s field hockey but those donations are drying up to buy football and basketball players.
 
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glv98 said:
Not sure how UTAD's sliding scale works bc it's all so far above my means. But yes, that's exactly how it works.

I'm surprised so many are surprised at that. What world did ya'll work in?
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Well the job I had for 25 years I was always at head of the table. The boss, area boss so on.

I already donate every month not a lot of money but my hard earned money.

If donating thousands of dollars is what it takes to have an opinion, I will just deal with Kellie Harper every season.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Bingo. This is exactly what I was angling towards. Why would I give money if my opinion doesn't count...as EarlVol clearly stated. So even all of the "put your money where your mouth is" doesn't change anything, because it's not like by doing so then you ave a say in the direction of the program.

The fact that Tennessee....not UConn, not SC, not LSU, not Texas, not UCLA, not Louisville, not Vandy, not Notre Dame, not ANY major school I can think of...resorts to begging fans for money to pay for athletes is actually pretty off-putting. If the administration isn't supporting the school and if NIL is really the cause of the recruiting downturn (that existed well before NIL was even a rule), then they might as well shutter the LV basketball program because it isn't sustainable.
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It’s a chicken before the egg / egg before the chicken dilemma. On one hand, the more you give, the better your seat the table. On the other hand, do you want to give a bunch of money if you don’t believe the product is worth your money? That’s a decision everyone has to make.

Not saying that the common fan is voiceless, but the decision to terminate a coach will never be made without the support of big money donors. AD’s need those big money donors, especially when it comes to non-revenue sports.
 
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If you give any of those amounts to the LVBHC you get no seat at the table...

If you give to the Tennessee Fund (UTAD) significant amounts of money, then you get people in the AD that will listen...but they still make their own decisions.

glv98 said:
Not sure how UTAD's sliding scale works bc it's all so far above my means. But yes, that's exactly how it works.

I'm surprised so many are surprised at that. What world did ya'll work in?
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VolBall09 said:
Don’t know if we could get her because I think UConn will hire her to replace Geno. But, imo, this is one of the best coaches in the game at the moment.

Carla Berube - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

81% career win percentage and 86% Ivy League win percentage.

I hate, HATE, UConn, but I love winning. And so does Carla apparently lol.

www.ctinsider.com

Former UConn women's basketball star Carla Berube thriving as Princeton coach: 'I love to win'

After a successful run as coach at Division III Tufts, former UConn women's basketball standout Carla Berube is thriving as Princeton coach.
www.ctinsider.com www.ctinsider.com

Love her comments here as well.


And I’m just talking crazy, so don’t get too excited.
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if looking for young coach I have been looking at UNLV coach and Fairfield coach. Both are very good check them out, Would have to see who would be interested and there will be interest just because its TN
 
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At one school and program, I know pretty well from sitting on an academic oversight board, there are donors and then there are DONORS. No, AD would ever admit to letting donors drive their decisions but they will acknowledge displeasure or happiness of some more than others. You give 50K, we really appreciate your support. You give 5.5 million to help build a new arena with the potentional to deliver another big donation in the future, ADs work a little harder to keep that donor happy.

For the LVs, every $ helps but your $100 donation will not let you decide who coaches the team. Give a million bucks, and dangle that there is a lot more where that came from, and you can have some influence.

Lots of schools are struggling with NIL. the whole model is completely unsustainable. Every year, all programs have to find new $ for transfers, keeping existing players, and whatever the fluid rules are for freshman recruits.

I don't think there are enough deep pocket donors to make this work on the grand scale,
 
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So does anyone know why we created a separate model in the first place? If it isn’t working, shouldn’t they scrap it?

If we’ve identified the problem, why not model what other schools are doing?

I just can’t wrap my head around NIL at Tennessee being the reason we’re recruiting poorly. I want to so bad, but for some reason, it just won’t get through my thick scull!
 
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EarlVolFan said:
If you give any of those amounts to the LVBHC you get no seat at the table...

If you give to the Tennessee Fund (UTAD) significant amounts of money, then you get people in the AD that will listen...but they still make their own decisions.
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Hence the word Hypothetical.

I never asked for a seat at table to start with. I donate every month if you want to poo poo on my crumbs of a donation go ahead.
 
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Stay tuned...😉
LadyVol1908 said:
So does anyone know why we created a separate model in the first place? If it isn’t working, shouldn’t they scrap it?

If we’ve identified the problem, why not model what other schools are doing?

I just can’t wrap my head around NIL at Tennessee being the reason we’re recruiting poorly. I want to so bad, but for some reason, it just won’t get through my thick scull!
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Amb3096 said:
Going back to his response to me with the separate collectives, it again points to an unsustainable model of the school's own doing. And as he said (if this is truly the reason for their lack of recruitment success), they don't have big donors. That is not sustainable if they are trying to get a bunch of $15-20 monthly donations from fans to compete against millionaire philanthropists. And if they need fans to give more to survive, then maybe the program just doesn't survive in the New World.
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I realize you were on break for a while, but we've discussed this here a few times. For some reason, the LVs collective is totally seperate from Big Daddy. It's basically in the hands of LV super fans who are wonderful at small events and t shirt sales. And totally dedicated. But apparently without the first clue for professional fund development on the scale needed to pay for play. You're exactly right, if they're depending on me and you to show up and paint with the girls to pay for the next Ju Ju, we are in big trouble. Not dissing those funds, they give less high profile players some pocket change. But obviously we need the Haslams
knoxvol52 said:
If donating thousands of dollars is what it takes to have an opinion, I will just deal with Kellie Harper every season.
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Everyone can have an opinion. It's just if you don't donate, nobody much will care.
EarlVolFan said:
If you give to the Tennessee Fund (UTAD) significant amounts of money, then you get people in the AD that will listen...but they still make their own decisions
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Fully realize they'll make their own decision. But the big donors feelings on those decisions are always a factor. Again Jed C/Milburn D.
 
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I'm not judging anyone about what the size of their donation to the LVBHC is. Every donation helps and a lot of 'small' donations add up to a collective 'big' donation!

knoxvol52 said:
Hence the word Hypothetical.

I never asked for a seat at table to start with. I donate every month if you want to poo poo on my crumbs of a donation go ahead.
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