Coach Kellie Harper

Do you want Coach Harper to return or hire new Coach?

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Coach Jumper said:
times have changed,,,and they still get the education,, but now an income too.

And what employee doesn't look/isn't looking for a better income?
The only employee not looking for a better income is the one who loves/does their job and where they are and don't want to jeopardize a good thing.

Same's true in recruiting and basketball,,,if a kid is getting what they need, like the employee,,they won't look for money, they are getting what they want and won't jeopardize it for a dollar more.

Where we have to aim is higher than "those who want to make an NCAA tourney in their lifetime",,to "those who can win one in their lifetime".
And to do this you have to have a team of stars and a super star or two,,,not just one SS (though great she is)
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OrangeBeachVol said:
That would certainly help but the big question is: how important is the LV BB program to the " big money donors' to give that kind of $. I'm not sure it carries that much weight. Understand the LV sports have their own collective separate from the one for the men's sports which I believe is part of the NIL $ problem for Kellie.

No LV coach will be able to get the elite players without NIL $ and I don't know how much of this LV collective is available to Kellie. You know she used NIL for keep Rickea and probably get Spear. Was that all she had?
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I think it’s there but the donors are picky about it on the girls side and would rather use it on portal players than high schoolers but that might change now
 
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Chippo said:
Personally i think this NIL stuff is a bunch
Of crap. I thought kids went to college for
An education for future use in a field where
They would be employed. Not to get paid
To play sports. Jmo.
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What you are saying is true. However it is all about if you want to have a sports program or not these days and that is every schools choice. If you want one that is winning you better have a great NIL program.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
times have changed,,,and they still get the education,, but now an income too.

And what employee doesn't look/isn't looking for a better income?
The only employee not looking for a better income is the one who loves/does their job and where they are and don't want to jeopardize a good thing.

Same's true in recruiting and basketball,,,if a kid is getting what they need, like the employee,,they won't look for money, they are getting what they want and won't jeopardize it for a dollar more.

Where we have to aim is higher than "those who want to make an NCAA tourney in their lifetime",,to "those who can win one in their lifetime".
And to do this you have to have a team of stars and a super star or two,,,not just one SS (though great she is)
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They were getting money before this NIL nonsense--lots of it, in the form of a free college education. Do you know what the monetary value of a free 4 or 5 year college education is these days? When you toss in all the other benefits football and BB players are getting--tutoring, free health care/medical treatment, counseling, free room and board and books, of course--it's well more than $250,000. Last I checked, that is a helluva lot of money. Most college students in America must go into debt to earn a college degree--often, a lot of debt. They'd cherish a free college education.

This pay the players stuff originated with the usual "give us free money" activists who value cash far more than a college education. Why is it that we never hear the value of free college education mentioned in all this?

The activists started this nonsense that the players were being "exploited" by a sport (football) generating huge sums of money and pushed this idea that everybody was getting rich off the backs of the players. Total BS. Nobody gets rich off of football or basketball except maybe the head coaches. The rest of the money is plowed back into the athletic department to subsidize non-revenue sports, expand/modernize facilities, recruiting, travel, administrative costs, etc. etc. The only student-athletes who are not treated especially well are the non-revenue (Olympic) athletes who are just as talented as football and basketball players, of course, and better students. Very few non-revenue student-athletes are on full-scholarships. Nearly all are on partial scholarship because the NCAA scholly limits for non-revenue sports are so absurdly low.

Programs were stupid to start offering NIL deals to prospects/recruits, as they opened a huge can of worms for everybody---but major football programs are all absurdly competitive and ridiculous. They're turning a bunch of young people into crass, money-grubbing mercenaries. And that's what we want college athletics to become? Many BB and football coaches are not keen on NIL at all--and who can play them? It's all a bunch of corrupt nonsense. People who contribute their hard-earned money to a major-college football or basketball program so they can shower money on some teen who's already getting a very valuable free college education in the hope that their favorite team can win a few more games are crazy. The only student-athletes who might deserve a bit of NIL are the non-revenue players--at least until the scholarship numbers are raised in their sports, if they ever are.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
What you are saying is true. However it is all about if you want to have a sports program or not these days and that is every schools choice. If you want one that is winning you better have a great NIL program.
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Bribing prospects to sign with your school? It's corrupt nonsense. College sports isn't that important--or shouldn't be. And therein lies the problem. Only in America do we have a lot of people who care FAR too much about whether their favorite college team is winning games or not--and who are prepared to corrupt the sport in their zeal to win. Would I like to see Tennessee win national titles? Sure--I'm a UT graduate. But not enough to see college sports corrupted by money. Part of the problem is that a lot of the fans of major-college teams didn't go to college; they don't appreciate the college/academic side, and for them college sports is the equivalent of professional sports. Not for me. Money and fan insanity has corrupted college athletics. Sad to see.
 
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glv98 said:
Not impossible. All it takes is one or two interested donors with deep pockets. Remember, right now the schools themselves are not involved.

That said, I can't understand how the LVs can't find their own one or two Haslem type donors.
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One of 2 things imo.

1. No big time donors care about Women's basketball
2. Big time donors aren't going invest til better results from team or different coach.

Could be more reasons 🤷 any suggestions?
 
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knoxvol52 said:
One of 2 things imo.

1. No big time donors care about Women's basketball
2. Big time donors aren't going invest til better results from team or different coach.

Could be more reasons 🤷 any suggestions?
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CJ told a story a few weeks ago sitting next to a Haslam at the game. Donors care and are there. Hard to give more when you see half or less of the arena filled.
 
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Majors said:
CJ told a story a few weeks ago sitting next to a Haslam at the game. Donors care and are there. Hard to give more when you see half or less of the arena filled.
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Well if LSU donors can pony up with big NIL money for Women's basketball then Tennessee donors should as well.

In a few years this NIL will be so out if control, University will have players in streets with cut off milk jugs asking for donations🤣🤣🤣

Just kidding about the milk jugs or am I not🧐
 
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You either have a competitive NIL fund or you don't get the players you need to compete for championships. That's just the way it is now. BTW, there's a big difference in supporting the Tennessee Fund, where a lot of the 'big money.
turbovol said:
Bribing prospects to sign with your school? It's corrupt nonsense. College sports isn't that important--or shouldn't be. And therein lies the problem. Only in America do we have a lot of people who care FAR too much about whether their favorite college team is winning games or not--and who are prepared to corrupt the sport in their zeal to win. Would I like to see Tennessee win national titles? Sure--I'm a UT graduate. But not enough to see college sports corrupted by money. Part of the problem is that a lot of the fans of major-college teams didn't go to college; they don't appreciate the college/academic side, and for them college sports is the equivalent of professional sports. Not for me. Money and fan insanity has corrupted college athletics. Sad to see.
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EarlVolFan said:
You either have a competitive NIL fund or you don't get the players you need to compete for championships. That's just the way it is now. BTW, there's a big difference in supporting the Tennessee Fund, where a lot of the 'big money.
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Gone are the days of coaching them up. Except losing to teams with no NIL backing or behind Tennessee, those coaches managed.
 
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Raebo said:
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Congratulation Kellie on keeping the streak of NCAAT appearances alive!!!
We have confidence you will continue that awesome streak as long as you are here.
Let’s set up a meeting at your convenience to discuss a long term extension and a salary that reflects our faith in you to accomplish that goal.
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turbovol said:
Bribing prospects to sign with your school? It's corrupt nonsense. College sports isn't that important--or shouldn't be. And therein lies the problem. Only in America do we have a lot of people who care FAR too much about whether their favorite college team is winning games or not--and who are prepared to corrupt the sport in their zeal to win. Would I like to see Tennessee win national titles? Sure--I'm a UT graduate. But not enough to see college sports corrupted by money. Part of the problem is that a lot of the fans of major-college teams didn't go to college; they don't appreciate the college/academic side, and for them college sports is the equivalent of professional sports. Not for me. Money and fan insanity has corrupted college athletics. Sad to see.
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I am a college athlete! Money has ALWAYS been in college sports ! I have always called them the sachele man ( the one with the briefcase full of money )! I competed during the 60–70’s and I know for a fact it was going on then ! Just saying. 🤷‍♂️
 
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In my mind, here are the changes that must happen if Kellie is staying:
Starting now....
***High school recruiting must improve with the 2025 class
*** Strong portal class of rising Sophs and Juniors...so there is time for them to develop
***The husband needs to step down and Kelly needs to hire a top recruiter
***staff professional development with WNBA/NBA coaches. Kelly needs a pro mentor

If next year is a 20+ win season with a trip to the Sweet 16 (she should be fired if this doesn't happen), the following needs to happen going forward
***Kelly needs to get more international/USA basketball experience...I think she is working on this
***Kelly needs to develop a brand that can coexist with Pat Summitt and the Lady Vols. That brand can't be "we are nice"
***Performance team needs to be evaluated and investements need to be made in technology and how to use it to combat injury issues
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
How much longer can Kellie Harper last as Lady Vols basketball coach? It's clear to me. | Adams Don't believe everything Adams says, however good points are brought up. Damn, I hate this time of year!
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Yea the article brought up good points but I feel as though holly would’ve been better as a assistant because she was getting the players to come but I felt like the players didn’t take her serious she had to take the locker room away from them for a light bulb to go off…I feel coach is in the hot seat but at the same time who would wanna replace her
 
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Chippo said:
Personally i think this NIL stuff is a bunch
Of crap. I thought kids went to college for
An education for future use in a field where
They would be employed. Not to get paid
To play sports. Jmo.
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You don't seem to understand how Universities work. Across the campuses of any major university, you will find many, many grad students who recieve tuition waivers and stripends for serving as teaching and research assistants. Nobody expects them to teach their classes or run labs for free just because they have a tuition waiver They provide net value to their Universities. College athletes are no different. They invest inordinate amounts of time in their sport, bring in fans and $, provide invaluable PR to their school--how many times did you hear about the U of Iowa before Caitlin clark? Plus, athletes get excoriated on social media when they have bad performances (though that never happens on this board :). So, yeah they have a long overdue right to earn some income for basically working a full time job on behalf of the University while also going to school.
 
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madtownvol said:
Nah, it is just a dumb post. This poster claims to be an expert on organization but confuses internet posters with those who have real influence on the UTAD.

I can see why you are a fan
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Not sure it’s confusion. Although the money influence comes from a select few, the Tennessee brand is millions. You can discredit posters here, Twitter etc as having influence but they are the ones buying the tickets, LVBC donations, kids going to camps, doing meet and greets, buying the concessions etc. One of these programs/coaches isn’t like the others…that’s noticeable influence.
 
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Majors said:
Gone are the days of coaching them up. Except losing to teams with no NIL backing or behind Tennessee, those coaches managed.
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If UT is so far behind NIL wise compared to those like USCjr, how did they compete with them? So if NIL had brought better players than the last 1.1 seconds of the last USCjr game would have had a different results.

Duly Noted.
 
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