Coach Kellie Harper

[Majors]

If UT is so far behind NIL wise compared to those like USCjr, how did they compete with them? So if NIL had brought better players than the last 1.1 seconds of the last USCjr game would have had a different results.

Duly Noted.

Obviously NIL is paid for time and we were short 1.1 seconds.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

I am a college athlete! Money has ALWAYS been in college sports ! I have always called them the sachele man ( the one with the briefcase full of money )! I competed during the 60–70’s and I know for a fact it was going on then ! Just saying.

Chapman admitted during the interview that he was making more money with the Wildcats than in his inaugural NBA season.

"Well, first, I was making money in college. They were giving — I was being paid in college under the table, so I had some money. That's part of how I got to UK, so yeah. As much as I needed. Yeah, as much as I ever needed I could go — I knew where to go to get it. Many times it was just given to me, but. Yeah, boosters — boosters, yeah. And before I left — before I left I was offered $700,000 to stay another year at Kentucky. This is in the '80s. Right, in the '80s," Chapman said.

 

[madtownvol]

Not sure it’s confusion. Although the money influence comes from a select few, the Tennessee brand is millions. You can discredit posters here, Twitter etc as having influence but they are the ones buying the tickets, LVBC donations, kids going to camps, doing meet and greets, buying the concessions etc. One of these programs/coaches isn’t like the others…that’s noticeable influence.

Again, this poster was specifically discussing the much ballyjhooed "blue hairs" who presumably control the UTAD when it comes to women's athletics. As DeerPark pointed, those original deep pocket supporters of the LVs (from way back in the 70s) are pretty much all gone and the UTAD is now radically different from even the Cronin era. Anyone with sense also knows that Xitter is not a representative sample of anything or any one.

We will know definitively very soon. Some are predicting Kellie is gone, because White has not issued a statement of support, others including myself are expected to have one more make or break season (and admit the odds look to be against being here beyond that). So we shall soon see. who is reading the tea leaves better....

 

[madtownvol]

If UT is so far behind NIL wise compared to those like USCjr, how did they compete with them? So if NIL had brought better players than the last 1.1 seconds of the last USCjr game would have had a different results.

Duly Noted.

Hmm, one interpretation is that we have a heck of a coach who is battling mightily against the talent gap.

 

[Volfan2012]

Hmm, one interpretation is that we have a heck of a coach who is battling mightily against the talent gap.

Not any question that there is a huge talent gap between Tennessee and Sc. We played our hearts out that day still hurts that they didn't get that win.

 

[Majors]

Again, this poster was specifically the much ballyjhooed "blue hairs" who presumably control the UTAD when it comes to women's athletics. As DeerPark pointed, those original deep pocket supporters of the LVs (from way back in the 70s) are pretty much all gone and the UTAD is now radically different from even the Cronin era. Anyone with sense also knows that Xitter is not a representative sample of anything or any one.

Based on the number of followers, again one of these isn’t like the others. A quick glance and WBB is drastically behind…football (expected), men’s basketball, baseball and softball. That’s a problem for the program that elevated the game.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Hmm, one interpretation is that we have a heck of a coach who is battling mightily against the talent gap.

Agree, there are always multiple ways to interrupt data. But if that is your interpretation then she owns the last 1.1 seconds and she owns the performance against a NC State team that is nowhere the talent as USCjr.

But the NIL crowd has consistently said NIL is underfunded and that is why this team can’t compete with big guys.

People have to pick a story and stick with it………………..

 

[Majors]

Agree, there are always multiple ways to interrupt data. But if that is your interpretation then she owns the last 1.1 seconds and she owns the performance against a NC State team that is nowhere the talent as USCjr.

But the NIL crowd has consistently said NIL is underfunded and that is why this team can’t compete with big guys.

People have to pick a story and stick with it………………..

Yahtzee! Can’t have it both says.

 

[glv98]

Agree, there are always multiple ways to interrupt data. But if that is your interpretation then she owns the last 1.1 seconds and she owns the performance against a NC State team that is nowhere the talent as USCjr.

But the NIL crowd has consistently said NIL is underfunded and that is why this team can’t compete with big guys.

People have to pick a story and stick with it………………..

Yahtzee! Can’t have it both says.

Real world: two things can be true. Poor Kellie absolutely owns every agonizing close but not quite moment this devastating year delivered. And also owns credit for getting a vastly under talented/under achieving team to that threshold. And holding them together as a cohesive unit.

If I live to be 1000, I will never understand the absolute glee of the gravedancers. Just me I guess, but my overwhelming feeling in all this is sympathy for two women: Kellie and Rickea. The queens of shoulda, coulda, woulda. Doesn't mean any part of any of it is not their faults, but both also got royally screwed by the universe this season.

 

[madtownvol]

Agree, there are always multiple ways to interrupt data. But if that is your interpretation then she owns the last 1.1 seconds and she owns the performance against a NC State team that is nowhere the talent as USCjr.

But the NIL crowd has consistently said NIL is underfunded and that is why this team can’t compete with big guys.

People have to pick a story and stick with it………………..

If you look at the NCST media guide, NCST roster is filled with prospects who ranked 2 to 28 as high school recruits (though several arrived via the portal).

So, NCST may not be as loaded as SC but they were, on whole more loaded than the LVs.

Even the staunchest Kellie supporters among this board acknowledges that she has fallen short on recruiting. She has been able snag some really good players through the portal (and hopes are high for Boyd) but the number of successes is just too low. Top to bottom, the LVs don't match up with top ten teams. Maybe its NIL, maybe its something else but it is the reality.

This situation is not sustainable. Rickea was the giant compensating factor and it is not likely that someone of that caliber walks through the portal door this season. So, Kellie is going to need a better overall team to compete.

She needs at least 3 quality players through the portal and Key, Puckett, Cooper, and Spear returning.

 

[VolFuture]

Ok media theorist the official women’s page has made a season ending statement

 

[VolBall09]

Ok media theorist the official women’s page has made a season ending statement

And?

 

[madtownvol]

Real world: two things can be true. Poor Kellie absolutely owns every agonizing close but not quite moment this devastating year delivered. And also owns credit for getting a vastly under talented/under achieving team to that threshold. And holding them together as a cohesive unit.

If I live to be 1000, I will never understand the absolute glee of the gravedancers. Just me I guess, but my overwhelming feeling in all this is sympathy for two women: Kellie and Rickea. The queens of shoulda, coulda, woulda. Doesn't mean any part of any of it is not their faults, but both also got royally screwed by the universe this season.

and the refs (who the universe disowned long ago).......

 

[VolFuture]

And?

Is DW on the clock? Did they have their meeting? Will he quote tweet this???

 

[SGMVols]

Giving her another year is repeating the same thing we did with Butch Jones after 2016. Just delaying the inevitable. I guess we’re going to wait for her to ruin the tournament streak next year.

 

[VolFuture]

Giving her another year is repeating the same thing we did with Butch Jones after 2016. Just delaying the inevitable. I guess we’re going to wait for her to ruin the tournament streak next year.

What are your requirements for the next coach?

 

[SGMVols]

What are your requirements for the next coach?

All we really asked of Kellie was “be better than Holly” and she can’t even do that.

 

[VolBall09]

Giving her another year is repeating the same thing we did with Butch Jones after 2016. Just delaying the inevitable. I guess we’re going to wait for her to ruin the tournament streak next year.

I’m afraid that is where we are headed. Especially if she doesn’t relax the schedule a little. I’m not a fan of the complete patty cake schedule LSU plays. But I HATE how Kellie schedules. She counts her chickens before they hatch and sets them up for a total bruising the first two months of every season. It’s demoralizing, starts the season on the wrong foot, and immediately pisses off the fan base.

Last several seasons we have dropped out of the top 25 in the first month of the season due to her scheduling. It’s assign to repeat that same mistake over and over. Especially with her record against ranked teams being what it is (awful).

 

[VolFuture]

All we really asked of Kellie was “be better than Holly” and she can’t even do that.

She objectively is… next

Again what are your requirements for the “next” coach

 

[PRG]

I’m afraid that is where we are headed. Especially if she doesn’t relax the schedule a little. I’m not a fan of the complete patty cake schedule LSU plays. But I HATE how Kellie schedules. She counts her chickens before they hatch and sets them up for a total bruising the first two months of every season. It’s demoralizing, starts the season on the wrong foot, and immediately pisses off the fan base.

Last several seasons we have dropped out of the top 25 in the first month of the season due to her scheduling. It’s assign to repeat that same mistake over and over. Especially with her record against ranked teams being what it is (awful).

It seems like the last two years…. People getting hurt have affected our play more so than the opponent? Losing key..Horston .. Jackson, She needs to plan on the leaders not playing and scheduling accordingly.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Ok media theorist the official women’s page has made a season ending statement

I don't see Plowman or AD White's names on there anywhere

 

[spojo13]

It seems like the last two years…. People getting hurt have affected our play more so than the opponent? Losing key..Horston .. Jackson, She needs to plan on the leaders not playing and scheduling accordingly.

I think we need to stop with scheduling a ranked team at their place almost right off the bat like Ohio State last year and Florida State this year. I get we are trying to get some homecoming games like Ohio for Jordan. Save those types of games for later in the OOC.

 

[madtownvol]

All we really asked of Kellie was “be better than Holly” and she can’t even do that.

Easy answer. Much better coach on all dimensions except recruiting. And we will never know how Holly would have fared in the NIL era.

Next question....

 

[glv98]

All we really asked of Kellie was “be better than Holly” and she can’t even do that.

Complete and utter b.s. Or else you're unaware of the complete off the court shambles the program was in under Holly. I know culture stuff doesn't win trophies, but it is important. And Holly let that get away from her to an alarming degree. Kellie restored that heroically. Doesn't mean she'll keep her job, but let's give credit where credit is due.

Folks love talking about things that Pat never would have stood for, Well fist fighting in the dorm and parents social media fighting in public were among those. Kellie cleaned all that up.

Last several seasons we have dropped out of the top 25 in the first month of the season due to her scheduling

Be fair. And due to the small matter of Rickea's injury. But I do agree, if the scheduling doesn't ease up next year it is crazy.

 

[VolBall09]

It seems like the last two years…. People getting hurt have affected our play more so than the opponent? Losing key..Horston .. Jackson, She needs to plan on the leaders not playing and scheduling accordingly.

Yeah I feel like she gets all excited after building her roster and designs the schedule. You can’t design the schedule based on what you have in May. You have to design it based on what you MIGHT have in November.

This day and age injuries are so common place. Especially with top players who are doing the extra work and going just a little harder. They tend to get injured more often just due to circumstance and use.

I don’t mind playing a few ranked teams to start the season (2 is about perfect imo). Then one more non-con ranked team in late Jan or February.

We played 5 ranked teams by December 3rd and lost all but one. We were 4-5 after the MTSU loss, how terrible that must have felt for the players? Nobody wants to be getting their butt kicked and be under .500 in the first third of their season.