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#276
UTFanHades said:
Do you really expect that a coach stepping into a program worse than Vandy should just take the prior coach’s team out of loyalty when he has the option to trade up? That’s not unethical and keeping those guys is not a strategy to stay employed.

I don’t know what Kirby would do but he doesn’t seem to hang on to players who don’t perform the best when he’s got other options at UGA so why would he do otherwise at a different school? We’re talking about a guy who doesn’t punish players for speeding even though it killed two people associated with the program. Not exactly great evidence that he wouldn’t take the better player given the option.
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#277
UTFanHades said:
Do you have a personal relationship with him or have you asked him? Kirby has never been in that spot because he coached at Bama and then Georgia and has never been in a desperate need of talent once in his career.
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No, but that's normal ethical behavior. Did you see the word 'likely'?
 
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#278
vols40 said:
Lol. Yes Colorado is better this year. Calling TCU a playoff team is as laughable this year as it was last year
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Calling them a playoff team this year is worthy of an eye-roll, but last year, TCU proved they deserved to be in the playoff by beating Michigan.
 
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#280
Lawrence Wright said:
And with NIL money, pretty soon the kid will be worth millions too.
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I don’t criticize him for doing that, but the strategy will not stay the same now that he has turned the roster. He will eventually have to recruit his share of high school players. Of course getting his sons and Hunter was big too. He has did a good job getting them out of cellar. Getting to the next level will be harder. Not saying he won’t get it done. I think he will bring winning seasons. I am just not ready to say they will be some dynasty yet. The extremes both directions are a little over the top. I chose to let the games play out and take it all in. GBO
 
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EasternVol said:
See post 258
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We saw it.

Making 1-11 talent run until they puke won’t make them better than teams with superior talent. And Colorado was arguably the worst P5 school in 2022.

It’s almost as if Deion didn’t give some of you the satisfaction of watching him coach that same garbage roster from a year ago. 😂
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
We saw it.

Making 1-11 talent run until they puke won’t make them better than teams with superior talent. And Colorado was arguably the worst P5 school in 2022.

It’s almost as if Deion didn’t give some of you the satisfaction of watching him coach that same garbage roster from a year ago. 😂
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I think it is more a case of being apprehensive over what good Deion Sanders is actually doing for Colorado. He is following the same blueprint as Mel Tucker at Michigan State for "burning it down, and building it right back up" through the transfer portal. It works as a quick fix, but it isn't sustainable. Michigan State was 2-5 during the COVID year of 2020 ... but in Tucker's 2nd season of 2021, with a roster rebuilt with the portal, they went 11-2 ... only to fall right back to 5-7 last year.

If I was a Colorado fan, what would concern me the most, is that Deion Sanders doesn't even seem interested in recruiting high school talent. That could be a sign that he isn't in Boulder for the long haul. We'll see what happens, but I think Colorado is a house of cards.
 
#287
#287
Even though he got trounced this weekend, Deion is a man of faith that has extreme confidence.

NEVER underestimate a confident man of faith………..
 
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I don’t agree with the way he ran kids off but that’s on his ledger, not mine. He did handle the defeat very well. Better than Lanning did victory.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Define ethics in the context we‘re discussing, and please elaborate.
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There's the 'God guided me to Boulder' crap and there's not respecting agreements, as in scholarships. Generally if a kid on scholarship does what is asked and doesn't mess up with grades or discipline, he or she isn't run off. Sanders ran off half the team.
 
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EasternVol said:
No, but that's normal ethical behavior. Did you see the word 'likely'?
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It’s not unethical to flip a roster as you come into a program. The coach agrees to come in to do better and sometimes that means personnel changes. No different in the workplace. His obligation is to the college to get wins for his comp, not retain players unless it meets the goal of winning. Happens very frequently in football and other sports.
 
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#293
BowlBrother85 said:
Yes, but it's all from the portal. He isn't recruiting anything out of high school.

247sports.com

2024 Recruit Football Team Rankings

In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.
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As of right now, per 247sports.com, Colorado has the #75 ranked class in the Class of 2024 Composite Football Team Recruiting Rankings.

Colorado currently has a grand total of 8 high school players committed from the Class of 2024.

This is their class breakdown :

(0) Five Stars
(3) Four Stars
(5) Three Stars
(8) Players

I can't imagine the frogs that would rain down from the heavens on VolNation, if we were ever this low in the composite team rankings, with 2 1/2 months until the early signing period. Deion is obviously counting on replenishing his roster solely from the portal. That is a risky gambit. I don't think it is sustainable in the long run. Eventually, he is going to have to start recruiting some high school prospects. That will require a greater knack for talent evaluation, than what is needed to poach players with film from other Power 5 programs.

^^^^ If anyone dares to point any of this ^^^^ out on social media right now? You will be assailed with accusations of jealousy and hater-ism ... You might even get called a racist. There is a hostile undercurrent to the subject of Colorado football at the moment.
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He got Travis Hunter, the number one high school prospect, while coaching lowly Jackson St. Stole him from Bama, UGA, and several of the blue bloods.
 
#294
#294
What Deon is doing is taking a program that was lost in space and promoting them to get some pub. He knows what he is doing just doesn’t have the horses in the barn . He is a lot like Donald Trump as president . Both need or needed to just do your job and stop running your trap. **** gets old real quick.
Peace Out, GOVOLS!
 
#295
#295
UTFanHades said:
He got Travis Hunter, the number one high school prospect, while coaching lowly Jackson St. Stole him from Bama, UGA, and several of the blue bloods.
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Oh, well ... I guess one recruit makes everything okay .... LOL.

As I pointed out with the link to 247sports.com, Colorado is currently 75th in the country in the Class of '24 Composite Team Rankings. That is even worse than they normally do. Deion isn't a building a team for the future. He wanted a quick fix roster, so he can make it seem like he performed some magical turnaround, and then bolt for greener pastures as soon as possible.
 
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EasternVol said:
There's the 'God guided me to Boulder' crap and there's not respecting agreements, as in scholarships. Generally if a kid on scholarship does what is asked and doesn't mess up with grades or discipline, he or she isn't run off. Sanders ran off half the team.
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Sorry, that’s not how scholarships work.

They’re renewed annually, and every kid on scholarship knows that going in.

Of all the things to criticize Deion about, rebuilding a roster within rules of the transfer portal isn’t one of them.
 
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#297
lifeisdeep said:
You’re typing the same thing over and over and it’s as silly and childish as it was the first time. He has already tripled their win total from a year ago and beaten a playoff team. Grow up.
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TCU isn’t making the playoffs. You are talking about last years TCU. TCU last year would have destroyed CU.
 
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#299
BigOrangeTrain said:
And? Missouri git the #1 player in the nation a few years back. Everybody wanted him. Missouri has Nwaneri. Everybody wants him. Your point means nothing.
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It’s evidence that he can get high school players when someone asserted he can’t. The fact that you and others expect Colorado to be great in high school recruiting when Deion hasn’t been there even one season is pretty funny. Anybody that knows recruiting knows that generally you have to build inroads with in and out of state pipelines and that usually takes longer than year one. He chose to fix this via the portal.

To put it into perspective, we’ve had top 25 classes even while being miserable and our coach can’t recruit an oline or get one in the portal. We had to ask Ollie Lane not to retire to avoid having no centers while Cooper is out. It’s not easy to have immediate success, even at schools like UT, much less a bygone program in a part of the country that doesn’t produce lots of talent locally.

This schtick of using the Oregon game to negate the success of the season so far and to not even give him a full year of recruiting to see what he can do is either being disingenuous or being stupid.
 
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#300
EasternVol said:
There's the 'God guided me to Boulder' crap and there's not respecting agreements, as in scholarships. Generally if a kid on scholarship does what is asked and doesn't mess up with grades or discipline, he or she isn't run off. Sanders ran off half the team.
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He actually ran off a lot more than half the team. His job, along with every other head coach in America, is to win games. If he felt that the roster he inherited was subpar and lacked the necessary talent, it is his responsibility to do whatever he can to bring in players that give the program the best chance to be successful.
 
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