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UTFanHades said:
It’s evidence that he can get high school players when someone asserted he can’t. The fact that you and others expect Colorado to be great in high school recruiting when Deion hasn’t been there even one season is pretty funny. Anybody that knows recruiting knows that generally you have to build inroads with in and out of state pipelines and that usually takes longer than year one. He chose to fix this via the portal.

To put it into perspective, we’ve had top 25 classes even while being miserable and our coach can’t recruit an oline or get one in the portal. We had to ask Ollie Lane not to retire to avoid having no centers while Cooper is out. It’s not easy to have immediate success, even at schools like UT, much less a bygone program in a part of the country that doesn’t produce lots of talent locally.

This schtick of using the Oregon game to negate the success of the season so far and to not even give him a full year of recruiting to see what he can do is either being disingenuous or being stupid.
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That is ridiculous. It's not that he doesn't have a good class committed at this stage. It's that he barely even has a class at all. They have 8 commitments. Everything about the way Deion Sanders is managing Colorado's roster from a player personnel standpoint looks like he is only thinking short-term. The next man up in Boulder is going to pay a price for this class ... it sure as hell won't be Deion.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is ridiculous. It's not that he doesn't have a good class committed at this stage. It's that he barely even has a class at all. They have 8 commitments. Everything about the way Deion Sanders is managing Colorado's roster from a player personnel standpoint looks like he is only thinking short-term. The next man up in Boulder is going to pay a price for this class ... it sure as hell won't be Deion.
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It takes time to set up a pipeline and it’s unreasonable to judge when a coach hasn’t been there one full cycle (and probably more than one if we’re being fair). We sure as heck didn’t do that to our guy. As I stated in my last post, if you can’t build a pipeline then you can either use the portal or play with a 1-11 class. Judging him based on such a short period, and not judging our guy and others with the same period of time, is being disingenuous or just being stupid.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is ridiculous. It's not that he doesn't have a good class committed at this stage. It's that he barely even has a class at all. They have 8 commitments. Everything about the way Deion Sanders is managing Colorado's roster from a player personnel standpoint looks like he is only thinking short-term. The next man up in Boulder is going to pay a price for this class ... it sure as hell won't be Deion.
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So now the narrative shifts to what Deion leaves behind for the next guy, based on how he’s built the roster so far, four games into his first season.

The last guy really set Deion up for success with all those stud 1-11 high school recruits. 🧐
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
And? Missouri git the #1 player in the nation a few years back. Everybody wanted him. Missouri has Nwaneri. Everybody wants him. Your point means nothing.
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In the 2022 class, Mizzou was ranked 15 per 247 composite and UK was 14. We were 17. Does that mean Heupel sucks at recruiting like Deion if the metric is you have to recruit better than Drink?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So now the narrative shifts to what Deion leaves behind for the next guy, based on how he’s built the roster so far, four games into his first season.

The last guy really set Deion up for success with all those stud 1-11 high school recruits. 🧐
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I don't have a "narrative" .... I have an observation that Deion Sanders isn't recruiting high school talent, but rather, looking to build short term success through the portal. My opinion is that is not a sustainable path to success over the course of a 4 year period. I would show Michigan State's fluctuation from 2-5 to 11-2 and back down to 5-7 as evidence.

We will see how things turn out ... but I believe Colorado is fool's gold. They will be just as bad in 3 years as they have ever been.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't have a "narrative" .... I have an observation that Deion Sanders isn't recruiting high school talent, but rather, looking to build short term success through the portal. My opinion is that is not a sustainable path to success over the course of a 4 year period. I would show Michigan State's fluctuation from 2-5 to 11-2 and back down to 5-7 as evidence.

We will see how things turn out ... but I believe is fool's gold. They will just as bad in 3 years as they have ever been.
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't have a "narrative" .... I have an observation that Deion Sanders isn't recruiting high school talent, but rather, looking to build short term success through the portal. My opinion is that is not a sustainable path to success over the course of a 4 year period. I would show Michigan State's fluctuation from 2-5 to 11-2 and back down to 5-7 as evidence.

We will see how things turn out ... but I believe Colorado is fool's gold. They will be just as bad in 3 years as they have ever been.
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Michigan State brought in 13 players through the portal before the 2021 season. I don’t think the situations are analogous.
 
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UTFanHades said:
That’s not the point and you know it. You set the bar at beating Drink. Which it’s not for our guy or Prime
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I don't even know what the hell you are talking about. I didn't set any bar. Colorado shouldn't be 75th this late in the cycle, regardless of who their coach is. Karl Dorrell recruited better than this.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't even know what the hell you are talking about. I didn't set any bar. Colorado shouldn't be 75th this late in the cycle, regardless of who their coach is. Karl Dorrell recruited better than this.
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Clearly you don’t. Did Karl get at least one full year before being declared a recruiting failure? Colorado ranked 128 out of 131 in D1 last year. So he’s outpacing what he inherited by quite a bit even at 75.
 
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Boston Vol said:
How? Do you think Mike Norvell is falling into the same trap? He’s brought in 27 players via the portal the last two years. Seems to be working just fine for him.
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Don’t tell him that Kirby, Nick, and Josh Heupel have snagged more than a few portal guys.
 
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UTFanHades said:
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To the contrary, I am a lifelong Cowboys fan. I have been a Dallas fan even longer than I have been a Vol fan. So, I loved Deion as a player. The Cowboys don't win Super Bowl XXX without him. The best CB in NFL history.

I simply do not believe that sustained success in college football can be attained from the transfer portal. The core of the team should come from high school talent. I also believe that Deion Sanders' approach to player personnel management suggests that sustained success at Colorado is not even among his objectives.
 
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UTFanHades said:
Don’t tell him that Kirby, Nick, and Josh Heupel have snagged more that a few portal guys.
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Let me know when they were ever recruiting high school players like he currently is ... or I should say, not recruiting high school players like he currently is.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Let me know when they were ever recruiting high school players like he currently is ... or I should say, not recruiting high school players like he currently is.
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Are you saying any of those guys started in a comparable situation to Colorado? Is recruiting at Colorado remotely the same as being at an SEC powerhouse? I never realized that Mike Shula, Mark Richt, and Jeremy Pruitt had left their programs at 128th place out of 131. Again-you’re arguing in bad faith or being stupid.
 
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UTFanHades said:
Are you saying any of those guys started in a comparable situation to Colorado? Is recruiting at Colorado remotely the same as being at an SEC powerhouse? Again-you’re arguing in bad faith or being stupid.
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It wasn't my idea to bring them into the discussion, Genius. You did that.

I'm simply saying that building a college football roster via the portal is not sustainable over time. Deion Sanders approach to roster management appears to be only geared toward short-term improvement. I believe that is because he sees Colorado as a stepping stone to other opportunities, rather than being a destination job ... but we will have to wait and see about that. That's just speculation.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It wasn't my idea to bring them into the discussion, Genius. You did that.

I'm simply saying that building a college football roster via the portal is not sustainable over time. Deion Sanders approach to roster management appears to be only geared toward short-term improvement. I believe that is because he sees them as a stepping stone to other opportunities ... but we will have to wait and see about that. That's just speculation.
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You made the comparison to them for high school recruiting…..genius. Thus, you actually did that. I’ll ask again-is it comparable?
 
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