Coach Z

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#126
Coach Z denied interviewing for the job. Either way, I'm not worried about it. Every team deals with losing coaches almost every year. He would be replaced and we would move on. If it happens it happens. I just wanna rap up this recruiting class and get ready for next year.
 
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MSME Vol said:
The bigger issue is finding personnel to set the edge on defense. That was our biggest problem last year. Just ask Oregon, Mizzou, or auburn.
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We managed all of 3 points against Missouri. I don't think setting the edge on defense was the only big issue there.
 
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sjt18 said:
If one guy can't catch. Blame the guy. If every WR on the team drops passes then its the coach.

Yes. WR's drop passes.... but not in the volumes we witnessed this year. If the WR coach is not responsible for players learning to catch... then why pay him a salary? Any GA can organize drills.
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Sounds like a post from someone who doesn't know a football is oval rather than round. Coaches can teach all the correct techniques but they can not run out on the field during a game and demonstrate-teach-coach. That is done in little league or peewee football. A player IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS/HER'S actions on the field. Some learn quickly, some never learn. We have had a few who have never learned and many who have learned. Ideally, You have enough that learn to be efficient at their craft. If not, you play what you have.
 
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VOL6479 said:
You got to remember that North played rb in hs and was learning to play wr on the fly. Coach Z said it his self when Hooker asked him about Smith's drops he said Smith was forced to play to early because they were so thin at wr and on any other team he would have started out on the practice squad. Most of things I have heard from the talking heads on the radio that are around the team say that coach Z is one of the best coaches on the staff.
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and Smith doesn't drop the ball in practice
 
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sjt18 said:
And from your last statement... you would have us to believe that UT did a grand job of finding all the 4* WR's who had trouble catching the ball.

Why are you so willing to throw the players under the bus in an effort to put no blame at all on the coach?
Yes. The players ultimately have to put in the work and make the play. But again, when a unit underperforms then it isn't likely just the players.
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You only read what your tunnelvisioned eyes want to see. I haven't said anything positive about his other coaching techniques, wr route running, etc. You can't differentiate between those things and catching the football.
 
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oregonvol said:
This.

I would love to see what Volnation thinks are the job responsibilities of an assistant coach at this level. Let's see...talk to the press about how bad your players are, show up to the public meet & greet events and recruit...that about cover it? Of course, if recruiting starts slipping, I'm sure that won't be part of their responsibilities either. Pretty sweet job.
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oh teach me please. Teach me the game. Teach us all what a WR coach is talking to a kid about while in the living room watching film.
Please. Teach us your knowledge of what Z is doing all day, every day.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Sounds like a post from someone who doesn't know a football is oval rather than round. Coaches can teach all the correct techniques but they can not run out on the field during a game and demonstrate-teach-coach. That is done in little league or peewee football. A player IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS/HER'S actions on the field. Some learn quickly, some never learn. We have had a few who have never learned and many who have learned. Ideally, You have enough that learn to be efficient at their craft. If not, you play what you have.
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if someone has been on a field, they understand it. If they never have, they argue about it
 
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oregonvol said:
We managed all of 3 points against Missouri. I don't think setting the edge on defense was the only big issue there.
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Tis true, there are problems elsewhere I agree. It just seems crap rolls downhill more quickly if you can't stop them from running over you. It's cyclical. Defense plays badly, offense has more pressure to bail it out. Vice versa can occur too. However based on 2012 if our edge containment on defense doesn't improve, it doesn't really matter who we have at wide out.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
if someone has been on a field, they understand it. If they never have, they argue about it
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Haha. Very true. The only way you learn to catch the ball is by doing it. The only thing that a wr can learn to help is to know when to look back to the qb and to look the ball in. Catching is a fundamental skill of the position and there is only so much a coach can do to improve upon that. You drill, like everyone else, and stay after practice if your struggling.
 
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Nashvol2 said:
Haha. Very true. The only way you learn to catch the ball is by doing it. The only thing that a wr can learn to help is to know when to look back to the qb and to look the ball in. Catching is a fundamental skill of the position and there is only so much a coach can do to improve upon that. You drill, like everyone else, and stay after practice if your struggling.
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So, you're saying, essentially, that we don't even need a WR coach. Good to know.
 
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oregonvol said:
So, you're saying, essentially, that we don't even need a WR coach. Good to know.
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No. I'm saying that Malone is the best WR at his allstar game practice and he is snagging everything, prior to being coached in college. Going against future pro dbs and getting the ball from elite qb's with arms stronger than we put on the field, he's catching it. Like almost all of them do. Imagine a highly rated WR that can't already catch the ball, has to be taught, and was taught how to catch in college. Can you give me one example?
You guys evidently think that is taught by wr coaches, some of which played baseball instead of football in our recent past. I'm simply explaining the basic idea that wr's know how to catch a football to get SEC offers, and you two are arguing about it.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
No. I'm saying that Malone is the best WR at his allstar game practice and he is snagging everything, prior to being coached in college. Going against future pro dbs and getting the ball from elite qb's with arms stronger than we put on the field, he's catching it. Like almost all of them do. Imagine a highly rated WR that can't already catch the ball, has to be taught, and was taught how to catch in college. Can you give me one example?
You guys evidently think that is taught by wr coaches, some of which played baseball instead of football in our recent past. I'm simply explaining the basic idea that wr's know how to catch a football to get SEC offers, and you two are arguing about it.
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So it's your contention that, when we offered and signed Josh Smith, he could catch a football effectively? Then what happened?
 
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VOL6479 said:
You got to remember that North played rb in hs and was learning to play wr on the fly. Coach Z said it his self when Hooker asked him about Smith's drops he said Smith was forced to play to early because they were so thin at wr and on any other team he would have started out on the practice squad. Most of things I have heard from the talking heads on the radio that are around the team say that coach Z is one of the best coaches on the staff.
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I for one care alot more about what is being done than what is being said. I'd rather see results with the talking heads criticizing than praise with no results.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Sounds like a post from someone who doesn't know a football is oval rather than round. Coaches can teach all the correct techniques but they can not run out on the field during a game and demonstrate-teach-coach. That is done in little league or peewee football. A player IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS/HER'S actions on the field. Some learn quickly, some never learn. We have had a few who have never learned and many who have learned. Ideally, You have enough that learn to be efficient at their craft. If not, you play what you have.
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Right. Throw the players under the bus but NEVER dare question whether the coach is doing his job well.

:no:
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You only read what your tunnelvisioned eyes want to see. I haven't said anything positive about his other coaching techniques, wr route running, etc. You can't differentiate between those things and catching the football.
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LOL... I have "tunnelvision"? That's laughable coming from someone who goes nuts any time respectful, objective criticism is leveled at anyone on this coaching staff. I have fully acknowledged the roster and talent issues. Youth is a tough thing to overcome... but one of the EASIEST position to overcome it at is WR. It isn't like route running, route trees, and catching the football is rocket science...

I would have been satisfied with some significant level of improvement. Running the correct routes improved some. Running good routes to create separation... did not. Drops... did not.

Jones himself emphasized "the craft".... learning to run the routes precisely and correctly. Learning to consistently catch the ball. Of course, you'd argue with him too....
 
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oregonvol said:
So it's your contention that, when we offered and signed Josh Smith, he could catch a football effectively? Then what happened?
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he can still catch the ball in practice like 100's of other players but went Matt Milton mental when the lights came on after a couple of drops.
Have you not watched any other football on any level outside of the Vols? If you had, maybe watched one nfl game yesterday, you would've seen a couple.
 
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sjt18 said:
LOL... I have "tunnelvision"? That's laughable coming from someone who goes nuts any time respectful, objective criticism is leveled at anyone on this coaching staff.
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Your theatrics are laughable. You didn't bring respectful and objective criticism before I posted that. As a matter of fact, between your Dooley posts last year and the opposite on Butch, you are about the farthest from objective as possible and your simple lack of understanding about wr's catching the ball shows the depth of your knowledge.
You posted inaccurate info regarding my stance/opinion on the aspects of Z's coaching that weren't even part of the discussion. Just made it up out of thin air. You bring that in and I'm sending it back, while I guess you play the victim and act like poor little you was just being respectful and objective.

Meanwhile, remind Z not to walk into a 5* recruits home and tell his momma that he's going to change all that he has done and teach him how to catch from scratch. Not a good strategy.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Sounds like a post from someone who doesn't know a football is oval rather than round.
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Yep. That's a GREAT way to win an argument... poison the well rather than dealing with the facts.

Coaches can teach all the correct techniques but they can not run out on the field during a game and demonstrate-teach-coach. That is done in little league or peewee football.
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OH.... gotcha. College coaches aren't responsible for constantly reinforcing the fundamentals of catching a football since that should have been learned when they were 8. If they didn't... or are inconsistent... or are ineffective... Oh well, not the UT WR coach's responsibility to fix.

A player IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS/HER'S actions on the field.
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EXACTLY what I said... but you ignored that part since I also criticized the coach.
Some learn quickly, some never learn. We have had a few who have never learned and many who have learned. Ideally, You have enough that learn to be efficient at their craft. If not, you play what you have.
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Some are taught well, some are never taught. We have had a few who were taught and never learned and many who were taught and learned. Ideally, the teaching is good enough so that those who learn and learn quickly improve noticably over the course of an 18 week football season including August.

If not, you play what you have and watch them drop passes and play poorly all year.
 
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So Smith's drops are on Z. Pig, DY, Johnson, Carter, North didn't really drop balls but we don't consider that. Smith dropped many. Croom dropped a couple. And its obvious its because Z doesn't know how to show guys how to catch it.
More brilliance.
 
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