coaching discussion (split)

#26
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gule said:
Holly's legacy? 3 final eight & a sweet 16 in 4 years?


purty damn good to me. could be better but *****ing won't help anything.
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Think most fans are just so expecting g of a final four. It just hurts to be so close and never making it. But honestly I would rather be a fan of this diehard Tennessee group than any other program.
 
#27
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I am still laughing cwby, aint that the truth. Staley has done nothing, she babies her star and lost her defensive mojo as she cannot get her new recruits to play hard.

Tenn is Tenn, we still have our name and legacy, I don't see some of these coaches mentioned having any legacy, except a couple, and they all lost last year and went home with their tales between their legs.
 
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bballcrazy said:
I am still laughing cwby, aint that the truth. Staley has done nothing, she babies her star and lost her defensive mojo as she cannot get her new recruits to play hard.

Tenn is Tenn, we still have our name and legacy, I don't see some of these coaches mentioned having any legacy, except a couple, and they all lost last year and went home with their tales between their legs.
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I don't see the point in putting down another coach just because you're unhappy with yours. & by the way, that coach that you say hasn't done anything is now beating you every year & that likely won't change anytime soon. You can keep your name & legacy because that isn't gonna do a thing for you on the recruiting trail nowadays.
 
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JustaChicken said:
I don't see the point in putting down another coach just because you're unhappy with yours. & by the way, that coach that you say hasn't done anything is now beating you every year & that likely won't change anytime soon. You can keep your name & legacy because that isn't gonna do a thing for you on the recruiting trail nowadays.
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Watch it! I respect SC and what they've done and I like Dawn but we will definitely keep our NAME and LEGACY. Y'all r trying to get where we've been 8 times
 
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#30
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Yes! We will keep our "legacy"...I'll use the line Bruce Pearl used during an interview while sitting beside Pat Summitt when he said " between us, we have 8 "(national championships). Come sit beside the Tennessee legacy and tell us how many we have together, Just a chicken! lol
 
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#31
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Seriously? South Carolina is the class of the SEC right now.

I'm as big a Tennessee fan as there is, but why tear down what Dawn has done, and is still doing, at USC?
 
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I for one, am not criticizing what Dawn has done at South Carolina. She has quite an impressive resume and has ripped the LV'S a new one in recruiting and crowd attendance lately, but anyone who dares to question the value of the "name and legacy" of the Tennessee program is just slightly off their rocker! It still means something. It's the main reason I still follow the program.
 
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mtsuraider06 said:
Seriously? South Carolina is the class of the SEC right now.

I'm as big a Tennessee fan as there is, but why tear down what Dawn has done, and is still doing, at USC?
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I agree raider! Walker has her visit to ND this weekend right? Because if she does and announces sometime next week we might start seeing the chips fall! I also think Booth signing/announcement is important as Westbrook has Maryland on her list also I believe and if Walker heads to ND and Booth heads to Maryland that gives us (imo) great odds to land either Dodson and Patterson, or Dodson and Westbrook or all 3!

Dodson, Westbrook, Patterson, KK, Evans, and/or Hayes would be a great class (I know you say you only want 4 or 5 but if all 6 want to come how do you say No)
 
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Amb3096 said:
That's not the point. The point is that those coaches I listed are either the current legends, or the up and coming stars. Holly is neither. You can't sell Tennessee legacy to recruits, because that legacy left with Pat, and Holly has yet to create her own. It's not the same place as it was 10 years ago, and with each passing year that Holly fails to create her own legacy, the more difficult it will be to hitch on Pat's.

Players want to a.) play for a championship level team b.) play for a dynamic coach that will bring out the best in them and perhaps c.) get a free ride to an exceptional academic institution (i.e. Notre Dame, Duke, Stanford, Vandy). Tennessee can offer none of these, and that's why it's not as easy to attract the top talent. All Holly can really sell is what Tennessee once was.
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OH but Holly has created a legacy but it's that of a loser who don't have a clue when it comes to coaching and this administration is delighted to have her drag the program even further in the dirt.
 
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It is almost impossible to succeed when following a legend. That being said, it is painfully obvious that Coach Warlick was a great and loyal assistant that does not belong at the top of a big time program like UT. She has tried her best but it is time to go in another direction. Pat hoped Holly could do the job and so the recommendation.
 
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mlindsay said:
I agree raider! Walker has her visit to ND this weekend right? Because if she does and announces sometime next week we might start seeing the chips fall! I also think Booth signing/announcement is important as Westbrook has Maryland on her list also I believe and if Walker heads to ND and Booth heads to Maryland that gives us (imo) great odds to land either Dodson and Patterson, or Dodson and Westbrook or all 3!

Dodson, Westbrook, Patterson, KK, Evans, and/or Hayes would be a great class (I know you say you only want 4 or 5 but if all 6 want to come how do you say No)
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CHW could not convince one single player to come this year and you come in here with this. "Want 4 or 5 but would take all 6". Some of you people live in dreamland. Oh, but no offense.
 
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#39
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T.J. said:
If you don't want to join in the conversation then just don't post.

Geez. Is Holly seated right next to you? :yes:
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I did click the wrong one... I thought it was the recruiting one... didn't see the thread-split until I went back to the title page... And, I just looked both ways, HW is not in sight.

This is
the season.
And I have two more logs for a fire than you do...

WIN.
No excuses,,, WIN!
You have five McD AA's,,, WIN!

Elite Eight was under-achieving last year and it will be for this year too.

Not enough bench. Injuries. , , , Don't care.
WIN!

You give me this team and I pulverize everyone with them.
WIN!
 
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Top Gun said:
It is almost impossible to succeed when following a legend. That being said, it is painfully obvious that Coach Warlick was a great and loyal assistant that does not belong at the top of a big time program like UT. She has tried her best but it is time to go in another direction. Pat hoped Holly could do the job and so the recommendation.
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It takes a legend to replace a legend.
 
#41
#41
Fire Holly. She can't coach. Three elite 8 in her first four seasons. wuteva

Dawn, Do ya thang at USC, it will make each one of the teams better in the SEC.

Holly is building her legacy, four seasons, with a key player down each time, (and which team advanced farther last year) and she is three injuries away from 2 or three Final 4s. wuteva.

Then to turn and save last season, Holly you are doing an awesome job, thank you for addressing the recruiting issue, ya know that was unacceptable to her.

Lady Vols, will always been a great buy for recruits, the name Lady Vols, WCBB, Hall of Fame, the attendance, the prestige, hasn't wane. Lady Vols was in the news/media all summer because of PHS. We will be fine but our staff have to hit the pavement and hardwood.

I luv HOlly decision to at least change up her staff, she's raising the bar, doing things to get better. It seems like that was a good coaching move.

I roll with Holly.
 
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#42
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I love how alot of you on here have never coached a game in your life yet want to criticize Holly. How about you get a coaching gig, showcase your skills then talk until then SHUT UP!!
 
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#43
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mikey2smart said:
I love how alot of you on here have never coached a game in your life yet want to criticize Holly. How about you get a coaching gig, showcase your skills then talk until then SHUT UP!!
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Easy there mikey. CHW is doing her best but her best doesn't cut it as the Head Coach of the Lady Vols, eight time national champs. If you can't see that our Lady Vols are not competitive with the "big girls" anymore, then I cannot explain it to you. The Lady Vol name alone is not enough anymore. There are too many good programs with better systems than the Lady Vols. You want to remain the same. I don't.
 
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#44
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There is only one big gurl, there is only one team winning championships. wuteva. Lady Vols will be fine. Holly build yo program.
 
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#45
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Top Gun said:
Easy there mikey. CHW is doing her best but her best doesn't cut it as the Head Coach of the Lady Vols, eight time national champs. If you can't see that our Lady Vols are not competitive with the "big girls" anymore, then I cannot explain it to you. The Lady Vol name alone is not enough anymore. There are too many good programs with better systems than the Lady Vols. You want to remain the same. I don't.
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No what I'm saying is it is easy to look from the outside looking in and criticize something that you haven't experienced yourself. Until you have walked the talk you are speaking on these keyboards, you need to keep your opinion to yourself. As a current coach, I can attest to how difficult it can be to work with a depleted roster (which has been the case for the Lady Vols the last few seasons). To have to rely on role players as now superstars is different and not alot of coaches can deal with it, and have the critics judging their every decision. Considering the circumstances she (Holly that is) has manage to get this team on the brink of a FF appearance. Back off and let her do her job which I'm sure with the same roster you couldn't come even close to accomplishing!
 
#46
#46
gule said:
why all this love for dawn staley?

imho, she's the most overated coach since joanne McCallie.
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This. Obviously she can recruit but the more I watch Staley's teams the less impressed I am with her as a game tactician. Honestly, her team's offensive schemes often look as horrid as Tennessee's. Landers won the SEC and went to multiple Final Fours with Georgia in the 90's, Chatman did the same with LSU in the 00's. And this is when the SEC was actually good, not the average conference it is now. It is far too premature to put Staley on the short list of elite coaches when the only real difference with her resume and Holly's is she has been to the Final Four.... once.
 
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mikey2smart said:
No what I'm saying is it is easy to look from the outside looking in and criticize something that you haven't experienced yourself. Until you have walked the talk you are speaking on these keyboards, you need to keep your opinion to yourself. As a current coach, I can attest to how difficult it can be to work with a depleted roster (which has been the case for the Lady Vols the last few seasons). To have to rely on role players as now superstars is different and not alot of coaches can deal with it, and have the critics judging their every decision. Considering the circumstances she (Holly that is) has manage to get this team on the brink of a FF appearance. Back off and let her do her job which I'm sure with the same roster you couldn't come even close to accomplishing!
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IMCO Holly is not the right person to coach this team.

In My Coaching Opinion.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
This. Obviously she can recruit but the more I watch Staley's teams the less impressed I am with her as a game tactician. Honestly, her team's offensive schemes often look as horrid as Tennessee's. Landers won the SEC and went to multiple Final Fours with Georgia in the 90's, Chatman did the same with LSU in the 00's. And this is when the SEC was actually good, not the average conference it is now. It is far too premature to put Staley on the short list of elite coaches when the only real difference with her resume and Holly's is she has been to the Final Four.... once.
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Difference is Holly was part of a rich tradition at Tennessee. Dawn had to pull South Carolina up from near the bottom.
That tells me Dawn has done a better job.
 
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#49
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Top Gun said:
CHW could not convince one single player to come this year and you come in here with this. "Want 4 or 5 but would take all 6". Some of you people live in dreamland. Oh, but no offense.
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It's not about living in a dreamland. From what I have seen from Coach Reeves and also have heard about her on the AAU Circuit she gets the job done when it comes to recruiting which leaves me optimistic. The fact that we are still in play for several of the young ladies and many of the schools we are in competition with are either out of scholarships or only have 1 or 2 remaining puts us in a great position to land a far better class than last year and potentially still a Top 25 class when it is all said and done. BTW I didn't take offense to it.
 
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mikey2smart said:
No what I'm saying is it is easy to look from the outside looking in and criticize something that you haven't experienced yourself. Until you have walked the talk you are speaking on these keyboards, you need to keep your opinion to yourself. As a current coach, I can attest to how difficult it can be to work with a depleted roster (which has been the case for the Lady Vols the last few seasons). To have to rely on role players as now superstars is different and not alot of coaches can deal with it, and have the critics judging their every decision. Considering the circumstances she (Holly that is) has manage to get this team on the brink of a FF appearance. Back off and let her do her job which I'm sure with the same roster you couldn't come even close to accomplishing!
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Depleted roster? I don't know how many times in this forum people have talked about how much talent there is on this roster. How many All Americans and future pros there are I'm not sure. If that is the case then they are not being coached very well, wouldn't you say. They are not on the brink of anything Mikey. Anytime they play a significant game of any kind they get blown out. That is coaching Mikey, the system is broken.
 
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