Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem

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volprof said:
Kaepernick is apparently a Fidel Castro lover too.

Hey, has there been a D4H spotting in here the last day or so? I seriously want to know if he is a black nationalist and what that means to him.

D4H, if you are still in this thread, are you a black nationalist? If so, what does that mean to you? Do you support a "black homeland" in this country, like Malcolm X, the Nation of Islam, and the New Black Panther Party? Or do you support something like Garvey's repatriation project? In other words, do you think a black homeland can only exist in a "Back to Africa" campaign?
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I'm just a black man. I don't get into all these labels. I'm not advocating for a black state or a back to Africa movement.

I'm only advocating for JUSTICE. Same as Kaep. I want this country to actually live up to the ideals it claims. Equality and justice for all.

Unfortunately white supremacy is keeping this country from living up to it's ideals. And it's on white people to change themselves if they truly believe in justice. Cause it ain't on us black folks. We don't have the power to change the racial problems in this country. Its on white folks.

And until white folks reject white supremacy we'll never have equality and justice in this country.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Look man, I appreciate you responding to what I posted, I've posted in the past that I thought you were very bright and clearly you are by attending Duke. You have your thoughts and views of this country as many do, but you should know that there are a lot more people like myself who don't care about race, religion and other aspects of life and just want to be happy in life. I'm not saying I don't see color, because i do. I see it with every color though, white included. I'm not out to get you and neither is the majority of this country, nor the majority of the police. This country is not perfect at all, but I don't think it's what you think it is either. You're too smart to fall in a line of thinking that everyone is out to get you.

By the way did you take any of Sandy Darity's classes? I know him that's why I'm asking.
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No.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm just a black man. I don't get into all these labels. I'm not advocating for a black state or a back to Africa movement.

I'm only advocating for JUSTICE. Same as Kaep. I want this country to actually live up to the ideals it claims. Equality and justice for all.

Unfortunately white supremacy is keeping this country from living up to it's ideals. And it's on white people to change themselves if they truly believe in justice. Cause it ain't on us black folks. We don't have the power to change the racial problems in this country. Its on white folks.

And until white folks reject white supremacy we'll never have equality and justice in this country.
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Kaepernick supports an arbitrary vision of social justice. He stupidly made that clear by wearing his Fidel Meets Malcolm outfit. He wouldn't know what true social justice is if it hit him in his anus.

But perhaps you're not as foolhardy. I agree that solving America's racial problems puts most of the onus on white America. If white America is never fully willing to concede that the system is largely built to reinforce its power than we will never get social justice, whatever that may be. (Social justice, while a worthy cause, is an impossibility, as no society will ever be fully just for all its members, and someone will always be unhappy as a result.)

Even so, I would not say that anyone in this country is actually "oppressed." That is an insult to oppressed people. You're not oppressed when you live in a society that actually makes attempts to improve itself and to redress former and current ills. That's not oppression; that's just injustice. The majority of societies on Earth make no actual attempts to improve the lives of their racial, ethnic, linguistic, religious, etc. minorities.

I think Kaepernick's "protest" is largely the mark of a bloated, overindulged Westerner who has no idea what it is to live in an oppressive society and associates refusing to stand for a national anthem with suffering and sacrifice. He's a whiny, privileged First World snot, and that's about it, although it is somewhat nice to see an athlete capable of having some sort of political consciousness that goes beyond "Me throw football real good" for a change.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Black people are still discriminated against and treated like second class citizens.

Overt de jure racism may not exist anymore. But structural de facto racism is more prevalent than ever before.
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Examples. Please. Help us understand why you don't think people of different ethnicities with equal smarts and opportunities have an equal chance to succeed. I think you are full of s@#$ because I see and make it happen everyday.

I work for a minority owned staffing firm. Over the past year, I've helped over 50 IT professionals acquire well paying IT positions; more that half were diversity hires.

And I use the REAL definition of diversity = being color blind (not yours = black people - even though I have hired many excellent black professionals).

True diversity and true equality is color blind. I don't care what color your skin is, what god you worship, your political affiliations, or who you choose to f@#$.

I hire people with the skills and experience to get the job done. Period.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
White supremacy is the belief white people are superior to other races specifically black people. And because of that superiority white people should rule.

If you don't think America is built on an ideology of white supremacy then you are deluding yourself.

White supremacy permeates every walk of American life. And you guys know it.
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Is it possible that you have deluded yourself into thinking white supremacy is ubiquitous and permeating every walk of American life?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You complain about racism yet here you are being racist. Congrats.
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He wants the eradication of white people. it's clear. teaching kids "black pride" in school is contradictory over his claim to "only want justice". That's not just bring race to the forefront but it's counterproductive in that it'll be something black business owners think of when that generation gets older. Thus creating discrimination against white people. but he's ok with that
 
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volprof said:
Uh, no. Like I tell tums, 1972, and the gang, you can't just say things and expect them to be true.
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C'mon man. Why did you turn this into another thread where you can't answer questions?

What does the black community do to ensure themselves success? What values are pushed? What actions are taken on a widespread scale?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Yes I went to Duke.

And Obama should have instituted programs to specifically remedy the effect of structural anti-black racism in America. He should have made a stimulus package specifically for inner cities to put young black men to work. He should have demilitarized the police departments. He should have instituted a race conscious educational system in urban inner city schools specifically teaching black pride and power to students.

I could keep going. In totality, there are many things he could have done but he chose not to. Instead he perpetuated and expanded the institutions that perpetuate white supremacy like Wall Street and the military industrial complex.
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The government should institute a ".. race conscious educational system in urban inner city schools specifically teaching black pride and power to students"?

Holy mf'n ****.
 
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I don't care what he is protesting....
If you don't stand for our National Anthem then your disrespecting our Flag,
your disrespecting our Country, your disrespecting all Veteran's and your disrespecting ME.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm just an incredibly racist black man. I don't get into all these labels, except coons and Uncle Tom's as I've previously stated in this thread. I'm not advocating for a black state or a back to Africa movement, just that white people lay down or gtfo.

I'm only advocating for street JUSTICE. Same as Kaep. I want this country to actually live up to the ideals it claims. Equality and justice for all.

Unfortunately perceived white supremacy is keeping this country from living up to my ideals. And it's on white people to change themselves if they truly believe in justice. Cause it ain't on us black folks, we're not responsible for our lives AT ALL. We don't have the power to change the racial problems in this country, only within our own community. Its on white folks. As tums has said, we refuse to take responsibility to help ourselves.

And until white folks reject perceived white supremacy we'll never have equality and justice in this country as I see it.
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Fixed your post for you. You're welcome.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Those are called "coons".

Black people that will turn on their own people to benefit themselves in the eyes of white people.

Also known as "uncle toms".
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Unfortunately white supremacy is keeping this country from living up to it's ideals. And it's on white people to change themselves if they truly believe in justice. Cause it ain't on us black folks. We don't have the power to change the racial problems in this country. Its on white folks.

And until white folks reject white supremacy we'll never have equality and justice in this country.
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So, blacks "that turn on their own people" are called a derogatory name. So, what does it mean to be black? If "white" in America means to try and uplift by generational improvement in means, in a structure that is static in capitalism, then what does being black mean?

Please tell me what being black is then if not correlated to "white" America?

As to your second quoted paragraph Frederick Douglass would ***** slap you for those words. Why is it that the majority of black youth don't know who he is?

Why is it that the most important black figure, and most important person for that matter concerning slavery and being able to lift oneself up by their own sweat and tears, is never discussed? Because he felt that it was the duty of individual blacks to fight for themselves and be self sufficient and holding themselves responsible to making their lives better and to never be dependent on anyone (especially a white) but themselves?

Is it because by his own remarks and beliefs the majority of black culture goes against everything he said? There is no excuse or problem too tough to conquer, he felt it and lived it. He didn't care if the entirety of the nation was racist, it wouldn't stop him from doing what was best for him. He worried about himself, not about white's changing themselves, this is what he wanted all blacks to know.

It's no ones job in the black community to improve their lot in life but the black community.

As someone who spent thousands of hours and a lot of money on computers, play grounds, and many school and community projects I did what I could to try and help. I challenge you to not post on here for a year and take that time and go out into the worst neighborhoods and do your part. When you aren't working, go volunteer.

Every minute on here could be spent trying to help in this fight you feel so passionate about, because you are doing no good on here in terms of helping this plight. You are just as bad as Kap and the talking without action, action by you, and sacrifice in time and money and effort shows you to be just another talking head, the worst type of black, or white for that matter, in the eyes of Douglass. Go help your community and stop talking on here about it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Alright, let me weigh in on this...

It baffles me that people would get more upset about a symbolic gesture by one man rather than the erosion of our civil liberties and Bill of Rights. If you want call him an attention whore or question the timing of the gesture, that is one thing. But I seriously don;t understand the level of faux outrage over something so trivial when he didn't kill, molest, rob or endanger anyone with his actions. Yet, we have people that are shedding tears over this flag right now that turn a blind eye to actions that actually do molest or damage the freedoms that many people died for.
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A thoughtful post, but the main question still stands of "okay, and?" in regards to his actions. So he is making a stand against a perceived injustice with regards to the black community...and what now? Will he continue sitting on the sidelines to where his actions become a running joke and are ignored? Will he do something more to help the situation? Will he start focusing on the entire problem rather than just a singular part of it? You yourself have pointed out many a time that true change starts at home (or lack thereof) in so many cases of black youth falling into ill ways. So the big question at this point is "okay, now what?" in regards to his actions.

The problem that many see on here (discounting the idiocy of D4H's posts) is the fact he has had way more opportunities than other black males of his age group to make something of his life. And in turn, to effect positive change in the community by standing as an example and pushing for necessary change. While he certainly wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he for sure can point to his upbringing and say "this is what happens when you have a family environment that won't accept mediocrity and will push you to higher levels. I am proof that you can achieve greater things when you have a family that backs you and makes sure you are striving to be the best in life." But instead, he (so far) has only done a symbolic gesture that does nothing to help the problems. As many have stated already in this thread, his actions are not helping further the discussion on race relations any more than they were before. And claiming that the U.S. is inherently racist certainly is a lie in the face of his current position (and salary) he has worked to earn. Now it's true that not everyone can be a professional football or basketball player, but aren't there enough examples out there of minorities rising above the challenges of their upbringing to make something out of their lives?

So the question now is "and?" for everyone concerned. He's made his stance clear and what happens next? Will he use his newfound media attention to try to effect real change at the very root of the problems? Or will he continue to perform symbolic gestures that don't affect any change and are ignored after the media moves on to something else?
 
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Grand Vol said:
A thoughtful post, but the main question still stands of "okay, and?" in regards to his actions. So he is making a stand against a perceived injustice with regards to the black community...and what now? Will he continue sitting on the sidelines to where his actions become a running joke and are ignored? Will he do something more to help the situation? Will he start focusing on the entire problem rather than just a singular part of it? You yourself have pointed out many a time that true change starts at home (or lack thereof) in so many cases of black youth falling into ill ways. So the big question at this point is "okay, now what?" in regards to his actions.

The problem that many see on here (discounting the idiocy of D4H's posts) is the fact he has had way more opportunities than other black males of his age group to make something of his life. And in turn, to effect positive change in the community by standing as an example and pushing for necessary change. While he certainly wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he for sure can point to his upbringing and say "this is what happens when you have a family environment that won't accept mediocrity and will push you to higher levels. I am proof that you can achieve greater things when you have a family that backs you and makes sure you are striving to be the best in life." But instead, he (so far) has only done a symbolic gesture that does nothing to help the problems. As many have stated already in this thread, his actions are not helping further the discussion on race relations any more than they were before. And claiming that the U.S. is inherently racist certainly is a lie in the face of his current position (and salary) he has worked to earn. Now it's true that not everyone can be a professional football or basketball player, but aren't there enough examples out there of minorities rising above the challenges of their upbringing to make something out of their lives?

So the question now is "and?" for everyone concerned. He's made his stance clear and what happens next? Will he use his newfound media attention to try to effect real change at the very root of the problems? Or will he continue to perform symbolic gestures that don't affect any change and are ignored after the media moves on to something else?
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You know the answer to this. Kaepernick ain't gonna do ****.
 
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bigslk said:
I don't care what he is protesting....
If you don't stand for our National Anthem then your disrespecting our Flag,
your disrespecting our Country, your disrespecting all Veteran's and your disrespecting ME.
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I'm sorry but no he's not disrespecting anyone. He's just being a petulant child.

This is the United States of America, he can stand, sit, blow his nose, he has the right. The 49s and the other NFL teams also have the right to not hire him, sponsors have the right to drop him and I as a consumer have the right to not buy products or services he endorses.
 
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bigslk said:
I don't care what he is protesting....
If you don't stand for our National Anthem then your disrespecting our Flag,
your disrespecting our Country, your disrespecting all Veteran's and your disrespecting ME.
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Nowhere in your rant did you mention any care about The Constitution... the law of the land that you swore to uphold. Not a person was harmed, molested or disenfranchised with Colin's actions. Yet, we have violations of The Constitution that occur everyday that does bring harm to the rights and livelihood of free men, and most of you don't say a word.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm just a black man. I don't get into all these labels. I'm not advocating for a black state or a back to Africa movement.

I'm only advocating for JUSTICE. Same as Kaep. I want this country to actually live up to the ideals it claims. Equality and justice for all.

Unfortunately white supremacy is keeping this country from living up to it's ideals. And it's on white people to change themselves if they truly believe in justice. Cause it ain't on us black folks. We don't have the power to change the racial problems in this country. Its on white folks.

And until white folks reject white supremacy we'll never have equality and justice in this country.
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I've found everything I needed to know about you by you throwing out the Uncle Tom phrase.

There are opportunities out there but you'll only get them through hard work, just like anyone else has to do. You certainly won't get there by blaming others for your problems and calling others who work hard Uncle Toms. Whitey isn't the reason for everything that goes wrong.
 
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bigslk said:
I don't care what he is protesting....
If you don't stand for our National Anthem then your disrespecting our Flag,
your disrespecting our Country, your disrespecting all Veteran's and your disrespecting ME.
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Nobody cares about the last part
 
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