Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Nowhere in your rant did you mention any care about The Constitution... the law of the land that you swore to uphold. Not a person was harmed, molested or disenfranchised with Colin's actions. Yet, we have violations of The Constitution that occur everyday that does bring harm to the rights and livelihood of free men, and most of you don't say a word.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Ask any black person.
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My black little sister is on a 50% academic scholly that she EARNED to a great college in tennessee. Academic scholly, not minority. She says youre full of sheet. Every opportunity that was in front of me was in front of her. I didnt earn a scholly, so no college. She did, so there she is. When she graduates, she can apply for a state or federal job as a woman and black, double minority, and will land the job without question as she is brilliant and affirmative action is on her side. Then she can enjoy benefits and a pension that private sector jobs will never be able to match. But yeah


...the cards are stacked against her, and all black folks. Moron.
 
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Grand Vol said:
A thoughtful post, but the main question still stands of "okay, and?" in regards to his actions. So he is making a stand against a perceived injustice with regards to the black community...and what now? Will he continue sitting on the sidelines to where his actions become a running joke and are ignored? Will he do something more to help the situation? Will he start focusing on the entire problem rather than just a singular part of it? You yourself have pointed out many a time that true change starts at home (or lack thereof) in so many cases of black youth falling into ill ways. So the big question at this point is "okay, now what?" in regards to his actions.

The problem that many see on here (discounting the idiocy of D4H's posts) is the fact he has had way more opportunities than other black males of his age group to make something of his life. And in turn, to effect positive change in the community by standing as an example and pushing for necessary change. While he certainly wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he for sure can point to his upbringing and say "this is what happens when you have a family environment that won't accept mediocrity and will push you to higher levels. I am proof that you can achieve greater things when you have a family that backs you and makes sure you are striving to be the best in life." But instead, he (so far) has only done a symbolic gesture that does nothing to help the problems. As many have stated already in this thread, his actions are not helping further the discussion on race relations any more than they were before. And claiming that the U.S. is inherently racist certainly is a lie in the face of his current position (and salary) he has worked to earn. Now it's true that not everyone can be a professional football or basketball player, but aren't there enough examples out there of minorities rising above the challenges of their upbringing to make something out of their lives?

So the question now is "and?" for everyone concerned. He's made his stance clear and what happens next? Will he use his newfound media attention to try to effect real change at the very root of the problems? Or will he continue to perform symbolic gestures that don't affect any change and are ignored after the media moves on to something else?
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I see where you are coming from with the "and what?" comment and asking what does he do next. Like I said in the post that you quoted, I think it is fair to question his motives or the timing. I don't have an issue with that.

Here's the problem. The majority of outrage aimed at Colin isn't based on what you brought up. It is simply based on an emotional reaction about someone not standing up for a symbolic piece of cloth. To argue that he has no plan to follow this up with or question his motives or timing would actually be a fair and rational discussion to have, Grand. But we have men in here... grown men, that have been convinced by programming of some kind that disrespect for a flag is far more egregious than disrespect for the law of the land. Oh, and Colin mentioned that disrespect of the law in comments afterwards that were totally ignored when he brought up Hillary Clinton walking when the average person would have been in jail. That is injustice. That is disrespect to the law of the land. That is what actually affects people's lives and freedoms. One man choosing not to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance on the other hand has little to no impact on our lives.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Is it possible that you have deluded yourself into thinking white supremacy is ubiquitous and permeating every walk of American life?
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Ever heard of the doll experiment? It was a social science experiment done in the 1950s to test the impact of segregation on black children. The experiment gave black school children the choice of playing with either a white doll or a black doll. This was an implicit test for racial bias.

The black children overwhelmingly chose the white doll and rejected the black doll. When asked why, the black kids said that was because the black doll was ugly, mean, and dumb while the white was pretty, nice, and smart. This engrained racial inferiority was one of the factors used by the Supreme Court in the historic Brown v Board of Education case.

CNN redid the doll experiment a couple of years ago with a twist and aired the results on TV. This time they just didn't ask black children which doll they preferred but also asked white children.

Guess what? The same results as 60 years ago. Both black and white children overwhelmingly chose to play with the white dolls. They both said the black dolls were ugly, mean, and dumb. They both said the white dolls were pretty, nice, and smart. The most heartbreaking moment being when they asked the black children which doll they looked more like and the black children point to the black doll they just called ugly, mean, and dumb.

If you don't think white supremacy and black inferiority isn't cooked into the fabric of American society, then you're just playing dumb. Listen to the children. Unlike adults who have the filter of political correctness, children say the absolute truth. And according to our children both black and white, white supremacy is alive and well in every walk of American life.
 
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utvols88 said:
He wants the eradication of white people. it's clear. teaching kids "black pride" in school is contradictory over his claim to "only want justice". That's not just bring race to the forefront but it's counterproductive in that it'll be something black business owners think of when that generation gets older. Thus creating discrimination against white people. but he's ok with that
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No. You've got it wrong. Black pride is different from white supremacy. We're not teaching our children they are superior to other races or that whites are inferior. Rather we're teaching them to have pride in themselves, their people, and their history.

If you read my last post on the doll experiment, you'll see that black people have been brainwashed by white supremacy to hate themselves. When I say we need Black pride focused education targeted at our children, it's to fight off the horrible effects of white supremacy things like the doll experiment show.

Black people are taught to hate themselves and love everything white. We want our people to simply start loving themselves not hating anyone else.
 
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tumscalcium said:
The government should institute a ".. race conscious educational system in urban inner city schools specifically teaching black pride and power to students"?

Holy mf'n ****.
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Its only fair after you've brainwashed us through media and schooling that we are inferior.

Go watch the doll experiment feature CNN did. It was a multi show program that aired for several days on Anderson Cooper. Black children have been brainwashed by white supremacy to hate themselves.

Educational programs targeted toward specifically remedying this problem are required.
 
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Grand Vol said:
A thoughtful post, but the main question still stands of "okay, and?" in regards to his actions. So he is making a stand against a perceived injustice with regards to the black community...and what now? Will he continue sitting on the sidelines to where his actions become a running joke and are ignored? Will he do something more to help the situation? Will he start focusing on the entire problem rather than just a singular part of it? You yourself have pointed out many a time that true change starts at home (or lack thereof) in so many cases of black youth falling into ill ways. So the big question at this point is "okay, now what?" in regards to his actions.

The problem that many see on here (discounting the idiocy of D4H's posts) is the fact he has had way more opportunities than other black males of his age group to make something of his life. And in turn, to effect positive change in the community by standing as an example and pushing for necessary change. While he certainly wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he for sure can point to his upbringing and say "this is what happens when you have a family environment that won't accept mediocrity and will push you to higher levels. I am proof that you can achieve greater things when you have a family that backs you and makes sure you are striving to be the best in life." But instead, he (so far) has only done a symbolic gesture that does nothing to help the problems. As many have stated already in this thread, his actions are not helping further the discussion on race relations any more than they were before. And claiming that the U.S. is inherently racist certainly is a lie in the face of his current position (and salary) he has worked to earn. Now it's true that not everyone can be a professional football or basketball player, but aren't there enough examples out there of minorities rising above the challenges of their upbringing to make something out of their lives?

So the question now is "and?" for everyone concerned. He's made his stance clear and what happens next? Will he use his newfound media attention to try to effect real change at the very root of the problems? Or will he continue to perform symbolic gestures that don't affect any change and are ignored after the media moves on to something else?
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Kaep doesn't have to do anything else. He took this controversial stand to bring light to this issue.

Its now on white people to listen to his message and reject white supremacy.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Kaep doesn't have to do anything else. He took this controversial stand to bring light to this issue.

Its now on white people to listen to his message and reject white supremacy.
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Okay, I reject white supremacy.

Now will he please stand the **** up for the national anthem and pay homage to the millions of people that fought and died on both the battlefield and the streets of America during the civil rights era that gave him the right to whine and complain?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Its only fair after you've brainwashed us through media and schooling that we are inferior.

Go watch the doll experiment feature CNN did. It was a multi show program that aired for several days on Anderson Cooper. Black children have been brainwashed by white supremacy to hate themselves.

Educational programs targeted toward specifically remedying this problem are required.
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Lol, you're so damn brainwashed.

Change starts from within. You're pointing your finger at everyone else. You're the problem.
 
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D4H - have you answered my question from weeks ago? I may have missed it. Which predominately Black Country do you prefer to live in?
 
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This is the problem with this country. Too many liberals and democrats who won't do a damn thing about anything expect point fingers at the republicans. Same with the people who are saying, "Everything is racist." It's not the police officers or the government's fault that black people keep breaking the law. If you break the law under any circumstance, you pay the price. I don't care if you're White, Black, Hispanic, Korean, Chinese, or whatever, we all live and obey by the rules in this country together. D4H don't give me that "racist" BS cause everything you're saying right now, is just STUPID. Kaepernick is a disrespectful young man who wants to blame everything on the white people so he decides to not stand up for our National Anthem. It's "racist" to him! That actually defends me and 95% of Americans but that doesn't matter right considering we're just white people? "BLACK LIVES MATTER!" Do us all a favor and stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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It was tough to walk in to work today surrounded by all these black professionals who are making 100k and up. I felt like I needed to support some of them that were so oppressed.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Those are called "coons".

Black people that will turn on their own people to benefit themselves in the eyes of white people.

Also known as "uncle toms".
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D4H... serious question. I can think of plenty of blacks who have improved themselves, but can you provide examples of those who you would consider "coons"? In other words, who are the black people you consider coons and what exactly did they do in "turning on their own people"?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
D4H... serious question. I can think of plenty of blacks who have improved themselves, but can you provide examples of those who you would consider "coons"? In other words, who are the black people you consider coons and what exactly did they do in "turning on their own people"?
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It's dumber than thinking North would be a top draft pick.
 
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