Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem

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volfanhill said:
So you value your life to equal 6.5 million other deaths. Where do you draw the line? Not willing to if it means 8 million, 10 million, 100 million?
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This is a hypothetical war that leads to the betterment of the US..... Whatever it costs is what it costs.....I appreciate the value of life but nobody makes it out of this alive. We all have our end of time some time.
 
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volbeast33 said:
This is a hypothetical war that leads to the betterment of the US..... Whatever it costs is what it costs.....I appreciate the value of life but nobody makes it out of this alive. We all have our end of time some time.
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Betterment? What betterment? What is better about the status quo that merits millions of deaths to maintain it?

Essentially what you're saying is, "if you don't want to be American, I will kill you to make you be American"
 
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n_huffhines said:
Betterment? What betterment? What is better about the status quo that merits millions of deaths to maintain it?

Essentially what you're saying is, "if you don't want to be American, I will kill you to make you be American"
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Is there anything you would actually stand for besides contrarianism?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Yet you argue that a war which led to millions of slaves being liberated was a waste.
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Bro, i have been very clear and you waste time by misrepresenting my position. I would fight a war to free slaves, if that is necessary. It wasn't necessary and it wasn't what the war was really about, from Lincoln and the Union's perspective. It was all about preserving the union, which is not worth 650k dead.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Bro, i have been very clear and you waste time by misrepresenting my position. I would fight a war to free slaves, if that is necessary. It wasn't necessary and it wasn't what the war was really about, from Lincoln and the Union's perspective. It was all about preserving the union, which is not worth 650k dead.
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It was a byproduct, as you said. But it still happened. Who knows when slavery would have gone extinct, but can't we argue that accelerating the process was worth the cost? You are concerned about posterity, what of all the freed slaves who were able to start living free that much sooner as opposed to waiting patiently for slavery to end? Is there no positive value to that?

If you had a kid and they decide at 15 they want to leave the house, would you try to keep them home or wish them well?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
It was a byproduct, as you said. But it still happened. Who knows when slavery would have gone extinct, but can't we argue that accelerating the process was worth the cost? You are concerned about posterity, what of all the freed slaves who were able to start living free that much sooner as opposed to waiting patiently for slavery to end? Is there no positive value to that?

If you had a kid and they decide at 15 they want to leave the house, would you try to keep them home or wish them well?
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Slavery was going away regardless. The Confederate states leaving the union would have ensured that because the only thing still making slave-holding cost effective was the Fugitive Slave Act. If the Confederacy becomes its own country, Ohio no longer has to send runaways back.

Hell, Robert E. Lee freed his own slaves and advocated everybody do the same...and this was before the Emancipation Proclamation.

Slavery was almost done for, so no...I think a peaceful solution would have been a superior option...for example, why not have the federal government buy every slave's freedom?
 
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Sorry, my math was off.

$800 x 4 million slaves = $3.2B
defense budget from 1861-1866 = $3.3B + 650k dead
 
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n_huffhines said:
Slavery was going away regardless. The Confederate states leaving the union would have ensured that because the only thing still making slave-holding cost effective was the Fugitive Slave Act. If the Confederacy becomes its own country, Ohio no longer has to send runaways back.

Hell, Robert E. Lee freed his own slaves and advocated everybody do the same...and this was before the Emancipation Proclamation.

Slavery was almost done for, so no...I think a peaceful solution would have been a superior option...for example, why not have the federal government buy every slave's freedom?
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$40-50M? A slave cost $10? Believe you are off quite a bit there.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
You are welcome to move back to your homeland and take Nancy Huffy with you. You can represent over there and Huff can stand around and tote your water to assuage his white guilt. I will buy both one way tickets as long as you surrender your passports.
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You're right:thumbsup: everyone in this country should believe and think just as you.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Asian Americans come here with nothing, usually in debt, and thrive under in this oppressive society. Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese what is their secret? They just close their eyes and work and the rest takes care of itself.
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Same can be said for most Mexicans. Usually doing work most Americans won't do. Also, the Asian children that come with their parents are better at math and computer science than most everyone else.

Since you asked
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
And we just had a black president for 8 years...let that sink in..
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yes we did and about 5 minutes after he took office every redneck conservative congressman in this country threw everything but the kitchen sink at him in an effort to disqualify him.

Let that sink in
 
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114VOL said:
yes we did and about 5 minutes after he took office every redneck conservative congressman in this country threw everything but the kitchen sink at him in an effort to disqualify him.

Let that sink in
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He had both houses of congress his first two years and he rammed ****ty healthcare down everyone's throats, let that sink in..
 
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FLVOL69 said:
He had both houses of congress his first two years and he rammed ****ty healthcare down everyone's throats, let that sink in..
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Changing subjects now, huh? Ok, yes it's not a great program but about 15 million Americans have health insurance that didn't have it before. I guess we should applaud the Congress we have now that hasn't done jack for this country. Oh yeah, they've obstructed at a record level, but of course the rednecks are happy.
 
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114VOL said:
Changing subjects now, huh? Ok, yes it's not a great program but about 15 million Americans have health insurance that didn't have it before. I guess we should applaud the Congress we have now that hasn't done jack for this country. Oh yeah, they've obstructed at a record level, but of course the rednecks are happy.
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65% of total healthcare expenditures are borne by taxpayers. So I'm not sure what big goal has been accomplished.
 
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