College football playoff

#101
#101
hatvol96 said:
Then tell me how many teams you want, Kreskin. You obviously have figured out this magnificient system that has eluded all others.
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I never purported to have THE answer. I just suggested it would be good to see. It is entirely reasonable to me that conference champions would have earned a right to play for a NC. It is certainly easy to see that in any year, teams from one conference could have had a much easier conference to wade through than teams from other conferences. 6 or 8 is good with me.
 
#102
#102
allvol123 said:
Many people were crying like babies when overtime was first proposed. Why is overtime a good idea to you? You mean you are actually in favor of seeing a dispute settle on the field? You wouldn't rather have the more highly touted team just voted winner of a tie game?
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Overtime is fine, if you have a reasonable system. Anyone who proposed sudden death for college football should have been thrown in a pit full of cobras.
 
#103
#103
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, the Big XII has produced some thrillers. That Georgia Tech-Wake Forest ACC title game last year may be the single greatest event I've ever witnessed. What would we do without the MAC title game? I fear the end of time if that weren't played.
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Typical. Pull a few examples out and it proves that they are all a bust. Nice MAC throw in, we are discussing legitmate conferences.

It is 10:37.
 
#104
#104
allvol123 said:
Typical. Pull a few examples out and it proves that they are all a bust. Nice MAC throw in, we are discussing legitmate conferences.

It is 10:37.
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There have been as many clunker SEC title games as there have been riveting matchups. The Big XII and the ACC are the only two other "legitimate conferences" that play a title game. Their games have been, more often than not, trash.
 
#105
#105
So you watched them? I assume that is how you know? But alas, non-playoff is best because every game means something. Tell me, exactly what does UT v. La-lafayette "mean"? Does it mean a cure for insomnia?
 
#106
#106
allvol123 said:
So you watched them? I assume that is how you know?
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Correct. They were all on that fabulous invention called television. Maybe you've heard of it? I also attended five of the SEC games and two were good, two were wretched, and one was mediocre.
 
#107
#107
hatvol96 said:
Correct. They were all on that fabulous invention called television. Maybe you've heard of it? I also attended five of the SEC games and two were good, two were wretched, and one was mediocre.
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Wow, so you watched wretched games? I thought the playoffs would produce wretched games and people would not watch? Evidently you will.
 
#108
#108
allvol123 said:
Wow, so you watched wretched games? I thought the playoffs would produce wretched games and people would not watch? Evidently you will.
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i'm sure people will watch the playoff games the question is will people care about the REGULAR season games as much. I sure wouldn't. In your proposed system cal's loss to oregon state all of a sudden doesn't matter in the slightest. I might actually chose to do something with my sat instead of watching the game if i know my team has a 1 or 2 game margin for error.
 
#109
#109
allvol123 said:
Wow, so you watched wretched games? I thought the playoffs would produce wretched games and people would not watch? Evidently you will.
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Til halftime. It's not as if those games have been ratings bonanzas. There's a reason neither ABC nor CBS have been willing to pony up big rights fees for the championship games. Most people don't care. I've never been to an SEC title game where there weren't a plethora of seats for face value on the street. The championship games are nothing more than a marketing gimmick to shill corporate wares. Ask the city of Jacksonville about all the money one of those glorious championship games brought to their city last year.
 
#110
#110
droski said:
i'm sure people will watch the playoff games the question is will people care about the REGULAR season games as much. I sure wouldn't. In your proposed system cal's loss to oregon state all of a sudden doesn't matter in the slightest. I might actually chose to do something with my sat instead of watching the game if i know my team has a 1 or 2 game margin for error.
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Exactly. USC's game against Stanford would be rendered utterly meaningless by a playoff.
 
#111
#111
droski said:
i'm sure people will watch the playoff games the question is will people care about the REGULAR season games as much. I sure wouldn't. In your proposed system cal's loss to oregon state all of a sudden doesn't matter in the slightest. I might actually chose to do something with my sat instead of watching the game if i know my team has a 1 or 2 game margin for error.
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Good and reasonable question droski. In the south I think they would, I don't know about the rest of the country.

In the current system OU's loss to CU has the potential to mean nothing.

If you love college football you watch it, if you don't you don't. In my opinion a playoff brings in more interest, not the reason I care about it, but I think it does. I watch every UT game, playoff or no playoff would change that. Honestly, I watch college football every Saturday all day. A playoff would not change that.
 
#113
#113
hatvol96 said:
Til halftime. It's not as if those games have been ratings bonanzas. There's a reason neither ABC nor CBS have been willing to pony up big rights fees for the championship games. Most people don't care. I've never been to an SEC title game where there weren't a plethora of seats for face value on the street. The championship games are nothing more than a marketing gimmick to shill corporate wares. Ask the city of Jacksonville about all the money one of those glorious championship games brought to their city last year.
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Again, you watched them. And again, I am not arguing from the perspective of ABC or CBS or what is right financially. I am arguing as a fan what I would most like to see. Less influence by media and more outcomes decided on the field.
 
#115
#115
hatvol96 said:
Since the implementation of the BCS, do you know how many times the champion has had a loss?
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No. But I bet you could tell me. But I really don't care. This idea of this team has zero losses and the team over there has 1 loss is part of my gripe. This makes some kind of false assumption that teams are playing in similarly tough conferences or have similarly tough schedules. It is just not accurate and impossible to ever have it that way.
 
#116
#116
allvol123 said:
No. But I bet you could tell me. But I really don't care. This idea of this team has zero losses and the team over there has 1 loss is part of my gripe. This makes some kind of false assumption that teams are playing in similarly tough conferences or have similarly tough schedules. It is just not accurate and impossible to ever have it that way.
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Even better question: Can you name a year, outside of 2003, where anyone had a legitimate gripe at the end of the year?
 
#117
#117
I could go all the way back to 2006 and point to Boise State going undefeated. But of course that will be shot down because we know they didn't deserve a shot.
 
#118
#118
allvol123 said:
I could go all the way back to 2006 and point to Boise State going undefeated. But of course that will be shot down because we know they didn't deserve a shot.
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Even most Boise State fans don't think they deserved a shot. However, with the plus one, where they would have only had to beat one team, they would have had a chance. You were making fun of me for mentioning the MAC earlier. News Flash: The WAC isn't any better.
 
#119
#119
hatvol96 said:
Even most Boise State fans don't think they deserved a shot. However, with the plus one, where they would have only had to beat one team, they would have had a chance. You were making fun of me for mentioning the MAC earlier. News Flash: The WAC isn't any better.
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They may have gotten blown out in a playoff game. But they beat a recognized power in OU and that shows me they were deserving of a shot. I can bring up BSU they were better than anything the MAC had to offer last year. They are enough proof to me that one game only is not the best answer(I mean bowl game only, a plus one I would be happy about). I don't think it will be happen but it will be hilarious if OSU is in the title game again this year.
 
#120
#120
allvol123 said:
They may have gotten blown out in a playoff game. But they beat a recognized power in OU and that shows me they were deserving of a shot. I can bring up BSU they were better than anything the MAC had to offer last year. They are enough proof to me that one game only is not the best answer(I mean bowl game only, a plus one I would be happy about). I don't think it will be happen but it will be hilarious if OSU is in the title game again this year.
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I'd argue that a playoff system hurts the BSU's of the world. First off they ran the table and beat OU. Their fans got to travel to a bcs bowl and enjoy the victory and the undefeated season, the bowl atmosphere, being the story of the day (maybe year) and all the pub that came with it.

Now say there is a 4 game playoff. BSU doesn't have the depth to beat 4 quality teams in a row. MAYBE they win one or two games by trick plays and scheming, but the NC? almost impossible. now they have movie deals and can argue they deserved a nc shot, with a playoff they are a team that upset michigan or virginia tech or something and eventually lost. Actually a playoff system really benefits the USCs and Ohio state's of the world. Teams with solid recruiting and significant depth who can go thru 4 straight weeks of beatings.
 
#121
#121
So BSU fans got to travel to a bowl game and see a win. I know that is why I always played sports. Any player on that BSU team would tell you they could have beaten UF.
 
#122
#122
If so then they are delusional. For small schools like boise a bcs game is a once in a lifetime experience. damn, for Cal it's a once in a lifetime experience. just think of some of the great stories over the years. . . like northwestern in the 90s going to the rose bowl. You make these games meaningless and the only meaning comes from a nc. Well in reality there are probably only 20 programs in the country (if that many) with a realistic chance of winning a NC in the next 50 years. Probably less if you implement a playoff. The other 90 will be given the middle finger. edit: it's not like college basketball where one or two guys can get hot and vault you into the final 4.
 
#123
#123
droski said:
If so then they are delusional. For small schools like boise a bcs game is a once in a lifetime experience. damn, for Cal it's a once in a lifetime experience. just think of some of the great stories over the years. . . like northwestern in the 90s going to the rose bowl. You make these games meaningless and the only meaning comes from a nc. Well in reality there are probably only 20 programs in the country (if that many) with ANY chance of winning a NC in the next 50 years. Probably less if you implement a playoff. The other 90 will be given the middle finger.
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Yes, it is for you to call them delusional because you are like the people that put together the polls, all knowing. I could not care less about NW going to the Rose Bowl are any other story like that.
 
#124
#124
allvol123 said:
Yes, it is for you to call them delusional because you are like the people that put together the polls, all knowing. I could not care less about NW going to the Rose Bowl are any other story like that.
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that team MAYBE had 2 players that would start at usc or florida. usc's 3rd stringers would start at most positions at bsu. oklahoma wasn't exactly a great team last year and they had to basically choke the game away to lose. no way a team that thin and small could survive a playoff system. and i don't remember a single BSU player after that game claiming they had a legitimate claim to the national title.

edit: and you may not care about northwestern, but northwestern alums do. how would you like to be a fan of a team and know that your season no light at the end of the tunnel? for some fans a dec 14th bowl in las vegas or something is a huge deal. don't be a dream killer.
 
#125
#125
In the real scenario, an undefeated BSU would have played an undefeated OSU, not a one loss UF. That no doubt would have been a winnable game. But you're right USC or whoever could never lose to lower teams, cough Stanford, UCLA.
 
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