College Hoops Around The Country [TN opponents, RPI, others]

[bleedingTNorange]

19-12 and Florida needs help but Missouri at 19 wins is a lock?

Expected rpi for Florida at 19-12 is 53, expected rpi for Missouri at 19-11 is 40. Thought ya had me huh?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The big wins over Gonzaga and Cincy both help. Taking Duke to the wire and beating Kentucky at Rupp help, too.

Their SOS right now is around 12th, and that should rise with all the ranked teams on the schedule. Given the mediocrity out there, I think 19 Ws is probably good enough.

As I said the other day, though they are not likely to go far in the tournament they could spring an upset in the Second Round if they are hitting their 3's. Right now, Lunardi has them a 7 seed, potentially facing #2 seed Duke in Round II. Florida could easily beat them.

I’ve never known “taking an opposing team to the wire” as being a resume booster, is that new? In that case UT should be getting credit for the Villanova, Arkansas, Missouri and North Carolina losses.

Rpiforecast has their SOS at 30, so not sure there...they say 19-12 and Florida’s rpi is 53, that’s definitely bubble territory especially if you finish say 6th in the SEC and lose your opening SECT to a lower league team.

 

[BigZiti09]

Expected rpi for Florida at 19-12 is 53, expected rpi for Missouri at 19-11 is 40. Thought ya had me huh?

No. I just didn't see how that's possible.

Missouri hadn't beat anyone til us. Then they beat UK and Bama though.

Maybe I need to look over Florida's resume.

 

[BruinVol]

No. I just didn't see how that's possible.

Missouri hadn't beat anyone til us. Then they beat UK and Bama though.

Maybe I need to look over Florida's resume.

They had a really bad loss or two

 

[bleedingTNorange]

No. I just didn't see how that's possible.

Missouri hadn't beat anyone til us. Then they beat UK and Bama though.

Maybe I need to look over Florida's resume.

Again, maybe it’s a flawed system but that’s what it says.

 

[cncchris33]

No. I just didn't see how that's possible.

Missouri hadn't beat anyone til us. Then they beat UK and Bama though.

Maybe I need to look over Florida's resume.

It's strange, because just looking at the resumés, you'd think Florida's was maybe a little better, honestly. But the RPI and SOS says different. BPI agrees that Florida has a slightly better resumé.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I am talking about a 2-4 seed ahead of us. Not a 1 seed

There are 16 teams competing for seeds 1-16, Tennessee, Duke and North Carolina both being 3 of those, it’s not as if only 2 are getting in that Top 16.

 

[BruinVol]

There are 16 teams competing for seeds 1-16, Tennessee, Duke and North Carolina both being 3 of those, it’s not as if only 2 are getting in that Top 16.

Sure

We won't catch Duke imo and there aren't 16 teams fighting to play in Nashville and Charlotte

 

[BigZiti09]

It's strange, because just looking at the resumés, you'd think Florida's was maybe a little better, honestly. But the RPI and SOS says different. BPI agrees that Florida has a slightly better resumé.

I think RPI and SOS would make sense if you were trying to determine the most middle team. In other words if there was 300 teams then the formulas would accurately project who is 150.

For finding the best teams for the dance I think it’s flawed.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Sure

We won't catch Duke imo and there aren't 16 teams fighting to play in Nashville and Charlotte

Duke is at 6 and Tennessee 8 in the updates team sheets, another loss for the Blue Devils and Tennessee would likely surpass them.

We likely need a 2 seed to get a favorable location, Duke and UNC are both still in contention for those spots as well...ideally we want both to lose, but the previous game UNC winning was the better route given the remaining games for each and where both currently stand.

 

[golfballs]

I was going off of ESPN but misread it.

That is interesting that one SOS is 34, one of them is 17. Pretty big spread there.

Florida is in unless they meltdown

Thing w them is you don’t know what team will show up on any given night.

 

[BruinVol]

Duke is at 6 and Tennessee 8 in the updates team sheets, another loss for the Blue Devils and Tennessee would likely surpass them.

We likely need a 2 seed to get a favorable location, Duke and UNC are both still in contention for those spots as well...ideally we want both to lose, but the previous game UNC winning was the better route given the remaining games for each and where both currently stand.

Only the top 8 seeds get location advantages?

 

[GatorsGators]

Expected rpi for Florida at 19-12 is 53, expected rpi for Missouri at 19-11 is 40. Thought ya had me huh?

Florida with an RPI of 53 would be higher on the S-curve than Mizzou with an RPI of 40.

Florida has an exceedingly better resume than Missouri and I'm not sure that's even an arguable point.

 

[GatorsGators]

They had a really bad loss or two

No bad losses technically. All losses are to Q1 or Q2. Loyola is currently leading the MVC with an RPI of 50. South Carolina at home is probably the worst loss and may end up being Q3 but right now it's Q2.

Missouri has the worst loss between the two (vs. Illinois).

Missouri didn't actually play a tougher schedule than UF. They played more 180-range teams while UF scheduled a few 300-range teams. A quick glance of their resumes separates UF from Mizzou.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Only the top 8 seeds get location advantages?

No...but I broke it down the other day, for it to be likely that’s what Tennessee would need. At the same time a team out west that is lower seeded could get a better draw than Tennessee, essentially there are a bunch of middle/eastern coast teams in the top group.

 

[BruinVol]

No...but I broke it down the other day, for it to be likely that’s what Tennessee would need. At the same time a team out west that is lower seeded could get a better draw than Tennessee, essentially there are a bunch of middle/eastern coast teams in the top group.

Thanks. I checked out on some of that talk

 

[BruinVol]

No bad losses technically. All losses are to Q1 or Q2. Loyola is currently leading the MVC with an RPI of 50. South Carolina at home is probably the worst loss and may end up being Q3 but right now it's Q2.

Missouri has the worst loss between the two (vs. Illinois).

Missouri didn't actually play a tougher schedule than UF. They played more 180-range teams while UF scheduled a few 300-range teams. A quick glance of their resumes separates UF from Mizzou.

Yea I was shocked to see Loyola was that good

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Florida with an RPI of 53 would be higher on the S-curve than Mizzou with an RPI of 40.

Florida has an exceedingly better resume than Missouri and I'm not sure that's even an arguable point.

Doubtful...there’s a reason today’s CBS update has Florida a 10 seed and Missouri a 9 seed

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Thanks. I checked out on some of that talk

The committee goes down the seed list and places team in the closest location...

So using the most recent update from bracket matrix...

Villanova, Virginia, Purdue, Xavier, Kansas, Auburn, Duke, Clemson, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, Michigan State and Tennessee are your top 12 it would fall like this...

Pittsburgh- Villanova, Cincinnati
Nashville- Auburn, Clemson
Charlotte- Virginia, Duke
Wichita- Kansas
Dallas- Texas Tech
Detroit- Purdue, Xavier
San Diego-
Boise-


And so you’ve got Michigan State and Tennessee left and being shipped out west somewhere.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Florida has an exceedingly better resume than Missouri and I'm not sure that's even an arguable point.

Obviously Palm disagrees, and Lunardi only has Florida 1 spot higher, so he also disagrees.

 

[BruinVol]

The committee goes down the seed list and places team in the closest location...

So using the most recent update from bracket matrix...

Villanova, Virginia, Purdue, Xavier, Kansas, Auburn, Duke, Clemson, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, Michigan State and Tennessee are your top 12 it would fall like this...

Pittsburgh- Villanova, Cincinnati
Nashville- Auburn, Clemson
Charlotte- Virginia, Duke
Wichita- Kansas
Dallas- Texas Tech
Detroit- Purdue, Xavier
San Diego-
Boise-


And so you’ve got Michigan State and Tennessee left and being shipped out west somewhere.

THANks

And my stance is we don't need unc ahead of Us or it gets harder for us

 

[GatorsGators]

Doubtful...there’s a reason today’s CBS update has Florida a 10 seed and Missouri a 9 seed

Palm is just one guy (and his current bracket sucks ass). Florida is a 7 on the Bracket Matrix and Missouri is a 9. TeamRankings has UF at an 86% chance and Missouri at 70%.

RPI matters but if it were as important as you're implying we wouldn't need a committee. Florida's RPI is in the "good enough" range that the rest of the resume is what really matters.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

THANks

And my stance is we don't need unc ahead of Us or it gets harder for us

We also don’t need Aubrun, Purdue, Xavier, Clemson, Cincinnati or Duke ahead of us either...so at some point we need to move ahead of those teams if we want a favorable location. We can do that by 1.Continuing to win and 2.Those ahead of us losing.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Palm is just one guy (and his current bracket sucks ass). Florida is a 7 on the Bracket Matrix and Missouri is a 9. TeamRankings has UF at an 86% chance and Missouri at 70%.

RPI matters but if it were as important as you're implying we wouldn't need a committee. Florida's RPI is in the "good enough" range that the rest of the resume is what really matters.

It is right now, but drop one game you shouldn’t and all of a sudden that rpi drops into the “very few teams make the dance” range of the RPI.

 

[GatorsGators]

I'd rank the SEC resumes:

1. Auburn (2-3)
2. Tennessee (solid 3)
3. Texas A&M (5-6)
4. Kentucky (5-6)
5. Florida (7-8)
6. Missouri (8-9)
7. Alabama (8-9)
8. Arkansas (10-11)
9. Mississippi State (outside looking in)

A&M has the most underrated resume right now in the country imo. Their seed is still being deflated from their bad SEC start but at this point there's little that separates them from UK, Oklahoma, WVU, etc.